[Moppel]

causes them to vomit AND scream 'Scromiting' is becoming an all-too-familiar site at emergency rooms hospitals.

Lol, They actually want us to believe They scream "scromiting!!!!!!"

Again......hilarious imo. I have seen tons of tourist black out in dam coffeeshops but never heared anyone screaming anything, let alone "SCROOOOOOMMMMMIIIIIITTTTTIIIII IIINNNNGGGGG"

[DocTim420]

And let's add another variable to the equation: half-life.

Some cides have a half-life that is measured in hours/days (pyrethrin) and some are measured in days/years (imidacloprid). Imagine the residual buildup on plants that are sprayed not with just once cide, but with multiple cides....excessively.

IMO, more growers should investigate "time". The time it takes for nutrients/fertilityto become "plant available". The time it takes for cides to breakdown to become "non detectable" in the plant's tissue...which means the proper length of time will always be greater than it's "half-life".

Oh well, what webs we weave...

[trichrider]

there is a thread here;( https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=274706 ) on this issue, maybe more info there. i haven't really read it.

appears to substantiate it's existence tho'.

[CaptainDankness]

More reefer madness propaganda they can't say it's not a medicine anymore but they can insist it should be a controlled drug that needs to be prescribed by a doctor and studied in the patients.

I got my money on GW's partner Bayer putting millions into this propaganda because Sativex alone is worth billions just not if marijuana is legal. You can buy something in a dispensary that's just as good as Sativex for about $20 meanwhile the Sativex will cost you closer to $200 and you can grow a 1:1 plant for free maybe spend a few bucks to extract the cannabinoids or just eat the raw plant.

Big pharma has invested millions of dollars on patents last thing they want us to do is grow our own organically for free. They are getting $200 for a 10ml bottle of Sativex. We will get medical marijuana alright but it is going to be a load of bullshit if big pharma gets their way.

[Cvh]

This is a repost i made in another thread about the subject.
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Hi all, I'm from a dutch speaking EU-country. (Guess which one and then again because you'll be wrong, lol)

In the +20 years of using and being in the 'scene' the first time I ever heard of CHS is on this board when I joined a few months ago. I have never heard a thing about it before nor is there much talk about it on dutch forums. Nor do I know anybody who suffers from this illness. This makes me wonder about a few things.

Reading through all the threads and google-ing about it I believe this syndrome is certainly real.
There is certainly evidence that the syndrome is real. Some people use cannabis and get sick ergo cannabis is to blame (several reported cases exist).

But the question is what causes the syndrome? Is it the plant itself or is the use of certain chemicals during growing/production or is it because of abuse or psychological issues or way off life or nutrition or...
Many questions still remain. But the thing I find interesting is that this syndrome is more of a USA/Western illness. Not a EU (50-60 years of regulated use in Holland) or African, Middle-Eastern or Asian (Many 1000's years of use) and almost no cases of CHS.

Is it due to potency? I don't think so, in the old world people are making high THC rich concentrates for centuries (Hash...).
Is it due to amounts? I don't know. Look at those Sadhu's in India and certain groups into the Middle-East and Africa. Those groups are using Cannabis in a non-stop way of life for centuries.
Is it due to chemical pesticides/fertilizer? Then we should get sick from eating our other vegetables to. These are grown using the same (organic) fertilizer/pesticides.
Is it that organic Neem, Aza pesticide? Could be, it's not because it's organic it's not dangerous. Lots of toxic plants, the majority of plants on earth are toxic actually. Many plants can even easily kill a man. Ie. Datura, Bella Donna, Opium poppy's,... to name a few.

Maybe we shouldn't forget about the Western way off life: no moderation, poor nutrition (fast food, etc...), no exercise, massive amounts of sugar intake, stress, poor sleep and a lot of mental and physical illnesses.

But almost all the CHS cases have something in common: years of cannabis abuse and a poor way of life. Makes me think it's maybe a combination of psychological issues in combination with poor physical condition (the Western Disease) and abusing cannabis to 'feel' better.

[Rondon]

Originally Posted by Gypsy Nirvana

What exactly is 'bow shit' Rondon?

The pukey sickness some Doctors arw attributing to chronic cannabis use. Ive looked into it. As much as I cared to. And Iam pretty damn sure its from people partaking in cannabis tainted with heavy pesticides and/or fungicides. Just happens to coincide with the popularity of domestic grown cannabis. Ive never heard of anything like this and that includes the imported paraquat 70's and 80's marijuana.

[Douglas.Curtis]

Originally Posted by Cvh

Is it due to chemical pesticides/fertilizer? Then we should get sick from eating our other vegetables to. These are grown using the same (organic) fertilizer/pesticides.

Cannabis is NOT a fruit or veggie and you cannot compare the use of aza on the two. Fruits and vegetables do not absorb azadirachtin the way cannabis does. The neem and aza used on fruits and vegetables breaks down rather quickly. This is not true in the cannabis plant.

Originally Posted by Cvh

But almost all the CHS cases have something in common: years of cannabis abuse and a poor way of life. Makes me think it's maybe a combination of psychological issues in combination with poor physical condition (the Western Disease) and abusing cannabis to 'feel' better.

Not with what I, and others, have come to understand. It's azadirachtin exposure (through neem oil, meal, extract). Combined with an existing(?) issue with the H.Pylori bacteria, the results are devastating with only small ingestion. Removal of the H.Pylori issue drastically reduces (yet does not eliminate) the symptoms.

I'm quite sure the worst cases are those who have zero issues with H.Pylori, which allows them to use massive amounts of tainted cannabis. Until it builds up to the point of cyclical and massive vomiting.

Hand someone with CHS some cannabis completely clean of aza and they'll experience great relief in using it. Test it yourself.

[moose eater]

There are veggies that are 'accumulators.'

That said, I and a family member have eaten stout potent edibles wherein my family member acknowledged the dosage was too much, and was physically ill from it. While I had a similar assessment of potency, I did not become ill from that same/similar dose.

Individual tolerances matter.. And I've had more or less an iron stomach for many years, though that's waning as age continues onward.

Admittedly, the plants used to make that butter may have been treated with Azamax. I say 'may have been,' as the butter came from a friend who'd had issues with some aggressive insects, and I'd sent him some Azamax or Azatrol. I believe it was the Azamax I had sent to him.

Cvh, knowing a bit about which countries are Dutch-speaking, I'd wager Belgium; often not thought of as a Dutch-speaking or Dutch-settled area, but half of it is. We know people from there. (*Either that, or the Antilles).

Initially, when first reading this article and posts, I chuckled, and thought, "Do they scream 'This weed sucks!!!!'" when vomiting?

Next, I flipped back through Mr. Wizard's 'Way Back' machine, and remembered Dick Nixon and the Paraquat period, wherein Dick unrealistically believed that spraying Mexican weed prolifically with toxins would get folks to quit smoking the stuff. Nope, they instead frequently smoked tainted weed.

I remember a young woman back then, probably in Life Magazine or something, standing in front of the White House during a protest, holding a sign that read in Dr. Seuss fashion,

"I smoke pot, I like it a lot. Stop spraying it with Paraquat."

She probably got extra credit for a 200-level under-grad Creative Writing English class....

[bigtacofarmer]

Wonder if dabbing pesticides and fungicides is the actual problem? I wont even smoke weed I cannot trace back to the grower anymore.

[Mick]

Maybe these people are suffering from old fashioned anxiety attacks. They can cause all sorts of chaos in the body and mind and everyone here probably knows someone who’s had an attack on strong weed. It's not common but not unusual either. OD'ing on edibles can do some weird shit to people. Vomiting is a common reaction to an anxiety attack and 5 minutes on google found examples of people screaming while having one.