[moose eater]

Funny, I don't -feel- "unlawful." At least, not a lot... Maybe only when I think about what some pointy-headed, popsicle-stick-up-his/her-ass, polished-desk-riding individual separated from the real world by plate glass windows and leather-top desk, while swilling down a substantial public salary.. Just during those brief and passing moments do I feel "unlawful.".. And those moments are more and more rare..

This whole schematic dating back decades, of doing memorandums of agreement between local, state, and federal agencies, typically where there just happens to be federal grant money to/for those departments, is getting really OLD.... Like it was already -feeling- old back during the Clinton "100,000 cops on the street" period, when suddenly every cross-roads burb had a "gang problem," cause it paid decently in federal grant dollars for LE to -have- a "gang problem."..

The Form 4473 is a Federal Form. The scheduling of cannabis as a schedule 1 substance in the 1970 CSA was a federal move, brought about by Tricky Dick, in his quest to go after the anti-war crowd (*by Dick's own semi-private admission, I might add).

The new Chief of Police could have chosen to do what the many and various chiefs of police have done in the other locations that have legalized the weed; let the feds worry about their laws, and let the states & municipalities worry about theirs.

Me thinks the new Chief has spent too much time accepting (without question) the federal and other anti-cannabis propaganda, or has some personal axe to grind. Maybe too many federal grants to her newly acquired dept. on the budgetary chopping block?

Some people just have a difficult time giving up an addiction to a profitable drug war, and cringe a bit at the thought of forfeiting the right to be cruel to others not like them.

'Lord of the Flies,' 'Animal Farm,' and other treasures give many an example of the likes of those who seek power, and what happens when they achieve their posts.

Fuck 'em all....

[stasis]

Cool thing about Hawaii, is that there really is no need for weapons. It's not like Detroit. People still settle shit with their fists. Ex-resident of Maui Here.

BTW, the outer islands are no more free of Police State Tactics. In fact, even worse, as it is a smaller world on say little Kauai - I was amazed at the brazen ness of the cops on Maui. It was like living in Mexico sometimes.

"" It’s entirely possible that we’ll see more of this behavior from other departments in urban, anti-gun cities like Los Angeles or similar communities."" I agree with this statement. Most likely they will come for weapons in other states.

But, I say GET THE ALCOHOLICS guns first. They are more of a threat.

[trichrider]

federal registration via NICS background check.
you don't get your firearm till you have that.
form 4473 can then stay with the dealer because they now have your information...

...is what i meant by registration.

every gun sold.

i know, they say they don't keep that for long. wink wink nod.

NSA? yeah they have it too.

[moose eater]

Originally Posted by trichrider

federal registration via NICS background check.
you don't get your firearm till you have that.
form 4473 can then stay with the dealer because they now have your information...

...is what i meant by registration.

every gun sold.

i know, they say they don't keep that for long. wink wink nod.

NSA? yeah they have it too.

I can't recall, as it's been too long since the last time I purchased a gun from/through a licensed dealer. But I don't believe the NICS check involves any specific gun info, such as serial #, type, etc. I believe it's just a "may the person buy a firearm or not?" scenario.

I quit buying my own new guns from licensed outlets after the NICS checks went into effect, due to my past activism involvement, public statements, published/posted writings, etc., and the very real potential that if you ever do get a rejection in the NICS process, then technically, some agency or another could (technically, legally??) deduce that if you're not able to -buy- a gun due to some gov. flag or another, than you're technically not permitted to -have- or possess the ones you -already- own either, potentially prompting a visit that leaves you less materially wealthy (or more dead) than you began that day.

A primary protective layer or barrier being the tendency toward lethargy as practiced by bureaucrats.. They'd have to finish the donut and coffee, straighten the hair, de-lint the suit, put aside the lunch calendar, etc., and all of that would likely take up a good portion of the remaining hours of any given day..

That said, the last 2 or 3 purchases for firearms here, through a licensed dealer, were -years ago-, and were bought by my wife, either as a gift for me, or for herself.. And third-party private sales in Alaska aren't tracked in any way, providing the seller isn't an FFL holder.. Though I keep hand-written paper on any weapon I sell -anyone- to cover my own ass.

[moose eater]

BTW, it's my belief that your second biggest de facto firearms registration method is credit card receipts and personal checks. ALWAYS use cash when able to. Track -THAT-!! ;^>)

[unregistered190]

Sad news...

[stasis]

Hawaii ain't the Mainland. Better and worse. EDIT: Moose Eater - I like your POV - and edit 2 - We used to say, on an outer Island, "your neighbor can tell what you ate by the smell of your farts."

[Green Squall]

I just read that its being reviewed and reevaluated by State Police. Sad how they are singling out cannabis. I'd be more worried about gun owners who are on a cocktail of LEGAL psychotropic drugs, and then mixing it with alcohol!

I can't recall the details, but weren't there a handful of states last year that upheld a ban on firearms sales to people who hold MMJ Cards?

[moose eater]

I can't speak in an informed manner to other states having held the line where MMJ and firearms purchases are concerned (there may well have been some), but I believe that BATFE sent out letters/notices to FFL holders/dealers emphasizinbg the continued federal status of cannabis under federal law as it relates to firearms purchases and the 4473s.

Where medical cannabis is concerned, the feds are alot like the wounded knight on the bridge in Monty Python's 'In Search of the Holy Grail,' refusing to acknowledge their defeat, and taunting the other to come back to do more battle.

"It's only a flesh wound!!," or some such utterance.

Originally Posted by Green Squall

I just read that its being reviewed and reevaluated by State Police. Sad how they are singling out cannabis. I'd be more worried about gun owners who are on a cocktail of LEGAL psychotropic drugs, and then mixing it with alcohol!

I can't recall the details, but weren't there a handful of states last year that upheld a ban on firearms sales to people who hold MMJ Cards?

[stewart169]

Originally Posted by oldhaole

I probably will not be too popular with the shoot'em up crowd, but I really don't care.

Though I personally feel the Federal Law regarding gun ownership by MMJ users to be stupid, and the move by the police chief to be grandstanding, after all she has been in charge for what? A week? The law is the law. It is her job to enforce it. End of story.

As a resident of Hawaii I am fine with guns being registered. I am also quite happy with the fact that if you get caught with an unregistered gun you will go to jail. As a result, most crime here is of the unarmed variety. Forbes ranked Honolulu as #3 in their safest cities, and cited our strict gun laws as the reason why.

More than 13,000 people in the US were killed by guns last year. Should they be registered? Just my opinion.... I think so.

So you ever hear of a place called Chicago ?? Some of the strictest gun laws in the country. Hate to say it but Hawaii has a tad different demographic.