[Ringodoggie]

Give it up, bud. Nobody's coming to the party. LOL

[SkyHighLer]

Originally Posted by Ringodoggie

I have spent many years researching patents for one reason or another and practically speaking, in today's world, patents are pretty useless. For a number of reasons.

One being that technology changes things so fast that many patents are outdated before they even expire.

And, again because of today's technology, there are usually many ways to achieve the same goal. e.g. Once concentrates became popular, there evolved many ways to make them.

And, even small variances in design or performance will circumvent patent infringement.

And, finally, patent suits can be (and usually are) very expensive. If Monsanto or some big firm decides to steal some little guys patent, there's not much he's going to be able to do about it. The big firm's legal department would swallow him like like a fish eats a bug.

Roger Adams patented the isolation of cannabbidiol from hemp back in 1942. Didn't seem to make him rich. LOL

https://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?Docid=...iew+first+page

I wonder why he calls it "red oil". Does the extraction from hemp come out red? Or, maybe it was his process. Pretty neat reading.

Remember to remove the 's' from https. Does this forum have an admin? Why doesn't he fix that?

Originally Posted by Ringodoggie

For anyone who was too lazy or didn't know how to chase down this patent, here's the img.

EDIT: Damn, the forum re-sized it. You can almost read it. LMAO I'll work on it. LOL


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Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

Not giving much away on that first page, which obfuscates their actual process. Perhaps a forum member with a chemistry degree could sort it out and comment.

Here's a link to a nice crisp read of the whole patent referenced,

https://www.google.com/patents/US2304669


The isolation of cannabidiol from red oil obtained from hemp is described in detail in J. A. C. S. 62, 196 (1940). This process which includes the treatment of purified red oil with 3,5- dinitrobenzoyl chloride and the formation of cannabidiol bis-3,5-dinitrobenzoate has been found of particular value for the isolation of the desired product. Ammonolysis of the benzoate, i. e., diester, yields cannabidiol in pure form. This process forms the subject matter of my co-pending application Serial No. 352,931.

It will be obvious to those skilled in the art that the present invention is directed to the treatment of red oil (obtained from hemp and preferably American hemp) as well as the treatment of isolated cannabidiol. For example, a product of increased activity or potency may be obtained by treating purified red oil obtained from Minnesota wild hemp so as to isomerize the cannabidiol contained therein to tetrahydro cannabinol. It will also be understood by those skilled in the art that the present invention is not limited to any particular acid isomerizing agent or process, the processes of Example I being merely illustrative. Any treatment or agent of the type described which will change cannabidiol to tetrahydro cannabinol, i. e., form the center cycle or pyran ring, is included within the scope of the present invention.

The products of the present invention have utility in the therapeutic field, as, for example, in the treatment of dope addicts and alcoholics. A specific use is to eliminate or ameliorate the withdrawal symptoms experienced in the treatment of opiate derivative addictions.

https://www.google.com/patents/US241...lc4HhDoAQg0MAI

[SkyHighLer]

(US Attorney General Jeff Sessions) Look, there is this view marijuana is harmless and it does no damage….. Marijuana is not a healthy substance, in my opinion, the American Medical Association is crystal clear on that, do you believe that?

(intern) Uh, I — I don’t.

(US Attorney General Jeff Sessions) Okay, so, Doctor whatever you’re name is, so you can write the AMA and see why they think otherwise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52r-BQAQa_0


Doctor Roger Adams opinion as expressed in the previous post is my response Mr. Sessions.


Roger Adams (January 2, 1889 – July 6, 1971) was an American organic chemist. He is best known for the eponymous Adams' catalyst, and his work did much to determine the composition of naturally occurring substances such as complex vegetable oils and plant alkaloids. As the Department Head of Chemistry at the University of Illinois from 1926 to 1954, he also greatly influenced graduate education in America, taught over 250 Ph.D. students and postgraduate students, and served the U.S. as a scientist at the highest levels during World War I and World War II.

Many believed that Adams was the leading organic chemist in the United States...

Because of Adams significant contribution to the field, in 1959, the Roger Adams Award was established as an ACS National Award to recognize outstanding contributions to the field of organic chemistry. The award is given every other year where the award address is provided at the National Organic Chemistry Symposium, which is organized by the ACS Division of Organic Chemistry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Adams

[G.O. Joe]

[Gray Wolf]

Bump!

No patent holders have bellied up to the bar and presented their case thus far.

[Gray Wolf]

No response either here or at ICM forum since 11-22-2017 from the three patent claimants. Did I make a mistake posting the evidence against you up front?

[MJPassion]

I’m pretty sure you can be confident that this will never be taken to court.

At least as long as you keep giving these folks the hell they deserve.

[Kankakee]

This thread will get moving once the USA allows plant protection license (20 year ) w/ cannabis ...

[Kankakee]

But may be in another forum thread / ( not Concentrates ) , sorry off topic did not see this originated in concentrate ~

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by MJPassion

I’m pretty sure you can be confident that this will never be taken to court.

At least as long as you keep giving these folks the hell they deserve.

I've been confident enough to repeatedly tell them to take their best shot, with zero follow through.

I also promised the Willamette Week editor to flaunt it in their face for 30 days, which is coming up soon. Seemingly they are only capable of character assassination on public media, but not capable of facts supporting any of it.

Here is their chance for a fair even review, if that meets their needs and serves their agenda.

Truth is shorter than fiction.