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Old 11-11-2017, 12:16 PM #1
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Aerated Compost Tea Recipes - Help

Howdy folks,

so I am in the process of building my first ACT brewer and am preparing to brew my first tea today.
I was wondering if y'all would be so kind to help me with the recipes and help me decide what kind of teas I should brew and help me decide if I might need some additional components.

Here is what I have:
- Earth Worm Castings
- Diastatic malted Barley
- Alfalfa seeds
- Kelp
- Bloodmeal
- Bonemeal
- Epsom salt
- Neemseedmeal and Neemseed extract

The issues my plants are having:
- Yellowing from the bottom, working upwards. Bottom 30% of the plant basically have to be lollipopped or they will just grow into a tiny, yellow mess before crinkling and dying off. Old fan leafs further up also seem to be affected over time. New growth at the top seems unaffected and always looks healthy.
Watering with EWC slurry has helped in the past (during veg, yellow leafs did not bounce back but following growth did not yellow as long as watering with EWC) but I would have to water every time with EWC slurry or at the latest every second watering.
- Sometimes leafs further up the plant are affected in a way that makes me think of Magnesium or Potassium deficiency. I have used epsom salt in the EWC slurry in the past with no negative effect on the plants but no discernable positive effect either.


The plants are now in first week of flower and I plan to make a EWC and malted barley tea over the weekend, water them with it monday or so.
My plants also had no worms in their pots (unless some survived in the EWC I mixed into the soil) and I will add them today. A hand full per pot (just 5 gallon smart pots). Then topdress EWC and sow clover seeds and top with hay and start mulching with old leafs that I pluck etc.


So here are the questions:
- I read 1 tbsp/gallon malted barley for an ACT. Is that correct? How much EWC should I add? Should I add some alfalfa seeds into the same tea (considering I believe I am mainly N-deficient)? How much? Should I add some epsom salt? Anything else from what I have available?

- I am quite a noob when it comes to humic and fulvic acid. I just never really got it/what it is about. I know I will add hella enzymes to the soil with the malted barley ACT and I know the worms will help along with creating a better soil food web. But I read elsewhere that especially at the start, fulvic acid has to be added. Is that correct? Can anyone suggest a fulvic acid product in EU? Do I add it to the tea? How much/gallon?


Thanks a bunch y'all. If pics are needed, I will provide. But the plants look healthy for the most part and since the EWC slurry helped in veg, I have no reason to assume anything but an N-deficiency at the moment.
I also recently heard that rice hulls and buckwheat hulls as a perlite replacement in organic soil are known to leech N from the soil. Was not aware of this and it makes sense to me if true as that would explain the continuous deficiencies in my soil that seem not too bad overall but not really going away either.

Thanks for your help and suggestions.

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Old 11-11-2017, 04:34 PM #2
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I wouldn't use rice hulls as a 1 to 1 perlite replacement.
My guess would be poor aeration and poor drainage.

If that be the case, consider simple prodding with a stake or something first, or, a bit more severe, you can prod your soil with a 1/2" pipe, pulling out plugs. Fill the pipe with perlite then reinsert it in the hole. Use a stick or something to push the perlite out as you pull the pipe back out.
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Old 11-11-2017, 04:41 PM #3
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here is a recipe by tea labs



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microbeman has an excellent write up on teas, microbiology and maximum efficiencies

it is very long or I would repost it and if the mods prefer I will be glad to do so but I feel that based on contribution and agenda microbman's site is simply a granular extension of ours in regard to microbiology arena of agriculture

I have found it useful

https://logicalgardener.org/viewtopi...f=22&t=41#p152

there is also our own tea stickys

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=267496

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=110620
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I just finished brewing a tea last night and fed the ladies who had been a little stressed. This morning, they are loving life it seems.

I second the microbeman comment above. My tea was from his videos and site, and now that i remember, so is the brewer. 1.5 cups of ewc and 1/3 cup of bsm in 4 gallons of water and brewed for 36 hours.
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Old 11-13-2017, 03:42 PM #6
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Howdy all,

thanks for all the feedback, will start reading up asap and maybe try the posted recipe or one of them in the meantime.

Regarding the rice hulls perlite thing:
I doubt aeration is an issue. I am using fabric pots and I used 1 additional part of buckwheat hulls in the soil mix of my previous 2 rounds.
The water drained very well and continues to do so now that I replaced 1 part of buckwheat hulls in the recipe with EWC.
The soil is noticeably more compact but it still drains very, very well.

I cannot recommend the buckwheat hulls enough so far, the only drawback (and I just heard of it) seems to be that they leech nitrogen from the soil.
I didn't know that so I couldn't compensate for it. My next soil mix will simply get an extra 1/2 cup or so of bloodmeal or maybe even 1 more part of EWC, let's see.


Regarding the fulvic/humic acid stuff, I hope I will find those infos on microbeman's site or the links that Weird posted (nice to see you pop up my man, have you considered blessing the world with some Bubblegum seeds? )
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I tried to simplify the information from Microbeman and myself into one document here. I believe it should answer most of your questions.
https://www.kisorganics.com/blogs/ne...post-tea-guide

Long story short though, I think you're confusing or complicating aerated compost teas vs "nutrient" teas.

(admin can delete my post if the link is not allowed or someone can download the pdf and post it).

1. Simplify your additions, less is more in my experience.
2. Watering is the most important thing. Most problems are from over or under watering.
3. I kind of agree regarding the aeration, but impossible to know for sure. I have found rice hulls to not be sufficient aeration but can't comment on buckwheat.
4. If the problem is going from the bottom up then you're dealing with a mobile nutrient like nitrogen most likely. But again, this can be caused by improper watering. Most people I find that are doing all these different amendments and teas and complicated stuff also tend to overwater.

But....going off a couple photos and a paragraph of info is really not enough to diagnose and treat your issues. Just giving you some ideas to look into. Good luck!
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Look anything like this?
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Thanks Kis, will read through that. Already listened to a couple of potcasts with Coots etc., good work mate

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Yeah sort of. That would be very late stage though and I think my leafs don't have such pronounced brown spots. Doesn't that speak towards a potassium deficiency?

Anyway, I will just take a few pics soon and post them so you can all give me your feedback if you want to.

I just pulled off all lower growth though as I enter week 2 of flower and they currently look quite healthy with a few yellowing or curling tips here or there.

So maybe have to wait a bit again before I can take some pics that show what's up.

Maybe I already fixed it though as I introduced worms and topdressed generously with EWC and clover seeds.
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The picture is of a plant with root rot.

Easily confused with a nutrient problem.

As mentioned by KIS, it may be from overwatering.

It may be minor, with pretty good drainage, and your smart pots doing what they should. There may be a spot right in the middle that stays wetter than the rest, effecting only a few of the roots.
You have fewer roots feeding the plant. When you up your nutrients, it compensates to some degree.

Are they sitting on the floor?
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