[shithawk420]

Instead of blaming the people who commit the acts of violence let's blame the guy who didn't have a thing to do with it.seems to be the popular thing these days so why not?

[Weird]

Originally Posted by trichrider

...it must be Trump! right? i mean he isn't muslim so it must be Trump...
next my good man Weird, it will be you and yours.

nah, ring your own que

this isn't about Muslims but Islam if you read gypsy's post even he was clear about it

if you can't discriminate between the two and use contrived absurdist logic to straw man my logic it only shows how unreasonably biased you are and how wrong it is to stereotype based on any label

how about critical discourse rooted in logic and not some separatist mantra

there are Muslims on the nypd should I grab their gun and put them under citizens arrest because they are brown and religious?

healthy people find commonality based on humanity regardless of belief and you can use those very religions as an excuse to marginalize others just as you can use a fear or misunderstanding of religions to stereotype a millions if not billions of people

It is very easy to just hate and marginalize others out of fear for self preservation that is why it is used to control populaces

This thread being a perfect example of people being ruled by irrational emotion and not real data or face to face experience

Some of the most beautiful and loving people I have ever met in my life were the very stereotypes p[people condemn, of every color, race and walk of life. You would never know if you only show them a face of hate.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Originally Posted by cooterbrown420

I am sure the parents or loved ones don't care if the person who killed them was muslim or martian. If people focused on religion when ever a White Nationalist killed someone, like Las Vegas, I would say the same. Gypsy you clearly have an anti- muslim agenda which only serves to divide us more.

Quite the contrary cooter....I am not anti-muslim, or anti any religion for that matter, although I don't believe in any one of them.

Let people believe in what they want to believe in, so long as it doesn't end up with innocent people being slaughtered ever day, or every hour of every day...which we are seeing with islam.

People wonder WHY this is happening, they want answers, particularly those that have lost a loved one because of it, and the answers are all there within the koran where it praises and encourages those that kill the 'Kafirs' (the unbelievers) and if they die killing those that are not islamic, then they will go to paradise/heaven.

The koran is said to be the literal word of God/Allah who got his prophet Mohammed to write about how people should live and what they should believe in.

Yes, as you look further into the Christian religion, and particularly its history you seem to get the realization that their are many parallels which you can draw between Christianity 500 years ago and modern day Islam...

500 years ago Christianity in the form of the Catholic Church (or Holy Roman Church) was the only religion allowed throughout western Europe, and those that became powerful and profited from it (Popes and Priests, Cardinals, Bishops etc) would go to extreme lengths to hold onto that power and enforce their rules and the teachings of their bible that only they could read in its original text....

The original Koran written in some very obscure antique Arabic can only be understood by very few Muslims, mostly Imams and the hierarchy of that faith.

What Islam needs is some sort of reformation, to bring it up to the modern age and recently I heard that the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia was keen to go Islam-lite, and drop much of the hardline wahabi influence that makes that kingdom look so backward and severe to the rest of the world. So there might still be hope yet for Islam evolving from the dark ages.


I have heard of this this type of thing before in zen-Buddhism, when the Japanese Kamikaze pilots died in battle in WW2 before they were 40 years old, then it was said that they would also immediately go to heaven and have several virgins at their beck and call, by becoming a suicide pilot, and smashing their bomb loaded planes into the American ships.

This isn't about race, or creed or colour, it is about a crooked and dangerous ideology that indoctrinates children into this way of thinking, brainwashes them, then turns them into a weapon to carry out these evil and repulsive deeds.

[cooterbrown420]

Originally Posted by Gypsy Nirvana

I don't condemn all Muslims Weird...

Most Muslims are just Muslims by name, and don't actually practice their religion much, or really understand it. The same can be said for most Christians. And after all they are just people like you or I.

The original Koran was written in a very obscure, antique and hard to interpret Arabic script. Most muslims might learn to recite it verbatim, but few actually understand what it actually means.

In recent years Islam has spread its wings over the west thru millions of muslims who have moved to the west.

There are more Islamists/Muslims in the US and UK today than there ever have been, and more are coming to live in modern western societies every day. Even if only 5% of these become radicalized and do what the Koran tells them to do, then we all have a VERY serious problem....in fact we all ready do have a VERY serious problem with this, as we can see by the ever increasing islamic terror attacks globally.

Now we have 1200 mosques in the UK and 1700 Churches..

There have been Islamic terrorist attacks in the US before the current POTUS...eg The Boston Marathon Bomber.

The Koran teaches Muslims to be patriarchal, sexist, homophobic (to kill homosexuals), misogynistic, and encourages pedophilia, and slavery. Mohammed the prophet of Islam decapitated at least 800 victims in his life and married a 6 year old girl called Aisha. He consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old ...this is a fact. All Muslims revere and look up to Mohammed, and many try to emulate his life......You just cannot compare him to Jesus or Buddha...or any other 'prophet' I can think of.

Muslims cannot leave the islamic faith for fear of death as an apostate. A woman cannot divorce her husband, but a husband can divorce his wife just by saying 'I divorce you'....Fundamentalist Muslim women are generally treated as chattel by their husbands, and are very restricted in education and where they can go, and who they can be with. They have to dress very conservatively in burkas and veils or they are beaten and ostracized from their societies, some are even killed in 'honor killings', or seriously maimed with acid, and that is accepted within their societies.

People need to know and understand this, to be aware of what this totalitarian death cult is actually about....The MSM (for some odd reason) seems to keep these sort of FACTS away from us.

It leads to what we have seen today in New York, and it will accelerate no matter who is POTUS.

I don't really know what to do about it, nor does any western government by the looks of it.

This is full of so much anti Islam propaganda I just quoted whole thing. What if 5% of white nationalist who own guns decided to shoot people? Don't get me started on the numerous Christian groups who practice polygamy and marry young girls or the Catholic church and its pedophile history. Please stop fear mongering its not helpful. I am not religious and think that people that who are believe in fairy tales. However I am not arrogant enough to tell people they aren't practicing their religion correctly.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Originally Posted by cooterbrown420

This is full of so much anti Islam propaganda I just quoted whole thing. What if 5% of white nationalist who own guns decided to shoot people? Don't get me started on the numerous Christian groups who practice polygamy and marry young girls or the Catholic church and its pedophile history. Please stop fear mongering its not helpful. I am not religious and think that people that who are believe in fairy tales. However I am not arrogant enough to tell people they aren't practicing their religion correctly.

Propoganda?....really? Have I said anything that is not true so far cooter?

'Propaganda is the spreading of information in support of a cause. It’s not so important whether the information is true or false or if the cause is just or not — it’s all propaganda.'

I assure you, that I am not spreading any false information in the name of any cause because I have none. I am in the pursuit of perhaps educating people about why these islamic terror attacks occur by looking at this ideology deeply, so getting to the root of the problem.

If you have a problem, then you try to come up with a solution, and you can generally only do that by analytically studying the reasons behind that problem in the first place before you can ever have a hope of finding out why that problem keeps happening, over and over again, as is the case with these terror attacks.

If the nazi's were amongst us committing regular daily atrocities, then I am sure that the relevant authorities would do something about it by perhaps banning the nazi party, and rounding up these fanatics.

....and I am not fear mongering, just trying get at the truth and the reasons why these attacks are happening.

Should we all just shut-up and say or do absolutely nothing about it?....all hold hands and sing 'Kumbaya' while regurgitating the same old worn/tired platitudes while lighting more candles, every time this re-occurs?...

Should we all just go about our business complacent to the fact that some warped, murderous ideology is attempting to wipe us all (who don't believe in their warped dogma) from the face of the planet? Does that not concern you?...Can you always say 'Oh well, nothing bad happened to me or my family....yet, so why should I be at all worried about it?'...

[Chevy cHaze]

Sad news indeed.
But also smells mighty fishy...

[troutman]

Originally Posted by shithawk420

Instead of blaming the people who commit the acts of violence let's blame the guy who didn't have a thing to do with it.seems to be the popular thing these days so why not?

Like blaming the alcohol brewer for the liquor problems in the Trailer Park Mr. Leahy?

[Scrappy-doo]

Religion is poison. Dogma is a whip. Mankind is a beast. There is no Santa Claus.

[Weird]

Originally Posted by troutman

Like blaming the alcohol brewer for the liquor problems in the Trailer Park Mr. Leahy?

blaming a national leader for their effect on foreign policy is not like blaming the brewery for my leahy but to your point. Why does the brewery get sued if they over server lmr leahy here in America?

because they are regulated which means producer, consumer and government have a causative relationship

[growingcrazy]

Can anyone name a single country with a majority of white populates that is benefiting the planet in any way?

It goes well beyond religion and Trump, but when that is what is being shown as the face of western civilization, were all in trouble. You can't vote for a whiter planet and act like you didn't mean it...