[Weird]

Originally Posted by Gypsy Nirvana

Weird....I'm simply giving you the facts here....I'm not lowering any bar of humanity...I'm not marginalizing any people.

This is The Tokers Den, not the grow forums where we can talk about cannabis. In The Tokers Den we can discuss topical and newsworthy stories.

This thread is about Islamic terrorism (specifically this recent attack), not American politics, so please STAY ON TOPIC

it is on topic, your talking about an attack that happened on American soil

there is tension abroad is due to trumps policies (travel ban, aggressive deportation, etc) that is new to this administration

before this those attacks where in the middle east not Europe not America, I do believe statistics of terror attack in Europe and America during republican and democratic administration would reflect how their policy affects world opinion

but outside of that and directly on your last point about that subset of extremist Islamic Muslims and indoctrination

as you mentioned we all are imprinted by our rearing and whatever indoctrination we are given, why is it that Islamist extremest can't be reached for conversion? The nazi regime was brutal but we didn't condemn all Germans regardless of indoctrination. Where they less extreme during their desire to take over Europe?

look at the murder rates per capita in major cities around the world and tell me who has the highest murder rate, is it Islamic countries?

I am confident statistically there are more people dying because of cartel terrorism or African civil war terrorist acts that are so brutal it make this relatively benign

not to downplay this act but to think that terrorism wasn't managed well after 9/11 up until trump came into office is something that can be actualized by the numbers

we haven't had many issues fora very long time. trump comes in with very disruptive foreign policy and now terrorism is happening abroad with more frequency

but please enlighten me what to do now that you have show us the face of islam, what now? assume a confrontation? manifest one preemptively. There is a dense population of people here that look like that who aren't extremists so I don't understand how to process the information you are sharing.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

I don't condemn all Muslims Weird...

Most Muslims are just Muslims by name, and don't actually practice their religion much, or really understand it. The same can be said for most Christians. And after all they are just people like you or I.

The original Koran was written in a very obscure, antique and hard to interpret Arabic script. Most muslims might learn to recite it verbatim, but few actually understand what it actually means.

In recent years Islam has spread its wings over the west thru millions of muslims who have moved to the west.

There are more Islamists/Muslims in the US and UK today than there ever have been, and more are coming to live in modern western societies every day. Even if only 5% of these become radicalized and do what the Koran tells them to do, then we all have a VERY serious problem....in fact we all ready do have a VERY serious problem with this, as we can see by the ever increasing islamic terror attacks globally.

Now we have 1200 mosques in the UK and 1700 Churches..

There have been Islamic terrorist attacks in the US before the current POTUS...eg The Boston Marathon Bomber.

The Koran teaches Muslims to be patriarchal, sexist, homophobic (to kill homosexuals), misogynistic, and encourages pedophilia, and slavery. Mohammed the prophet of Islam decapitated at least 800 victims in his life and married a 6 year old girl called Aisha. He consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old ...this is a fact. All Muslims revere and look up to Mohammed, and many try to emulate his life......You just cannot compare him to Jesus or Buddha...or any other 'prophet' I can think of.

Muslims cannot leave the islamic faith for fear of death as an apostate. A woman cannot divorce her husband, but a husband can divorce his wife just by saying 'I divorce you'....Fundamentalist Muslim women are generally treated as chattel by their husbands, and are very restricted in education and where they can go, and who they can be with. They have to dress very conservatively in burkas and veils or they are beaten and ostracized from their societies, some are even killed in 'honor killings', or seriously maimed with acid, and that is accepted within their societies.

People need to know and understand this, to be aware of what this totalitarian death cult is actually about....The MSM (for some odd reason) seems to keep these sort of FACTS away from us.

It leads to what we have seen today in New York, and it will accelerate no matter who is POTUS.

I don't really know what to do about it, nor does any western government by the looks of it.

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Who wrote that?

[Gypsy Nirvana]

if and when they get beyond what we deem as acceptable.

I wrote that.....

So what is unacceptable Water?

Is anything I have said untrue?

[Water-]

What I find acceptable has no value here.

[troutman]

This may upset some people. But I blame religion for a lot of this.

My God is better than your God mentality has caused so much chaos in the World.

I also avoid churches. Why? Because people get married in those things.

[trichrider]

...it must be Trump! right? i mean he isn't muslim so it must be Trump...
next my good man Weird, it will be you and yours.

nah, ring your own que

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Yes...it is absolutely awful. Can you imagine being a parent/loved one of one of the innocent people who was slaughtered today, or any day by a fundamentalist/radicalized islamist?

It is not nice to talk about, or even write about it here. But if we just ignore it, its not going to go away now is it?

What to do about it, to stop this happening ever again.....is that really at all possible?...I think not.

You can draw alot of parallels to where the Holy Roman (Catholic) Church was 500 years ago, before the reformation to how islam is today. The west left all that terror and superstition of the inquisition, the burnings, hangings, torture and persecution of 'heretics' behind 500+ years ago.

Now we are forced to go thru something not dissimilar again with Islam, in this modern day and age.

[cooterbrown420]

I am sure the parents or loved ones don't care if the person who killed them was muslim or martian. If people focused on religion when ever a White Nationalist killed someone, like Las Vegas, I would say the same. Gypsy you clearly have an anti- muslim agenda which only serves to divide us more.

[Scrappy-doo]

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