[Cannavore]

Originally Posted by Cannabologist

"... not all muslims are terrorists" is kinda like saying not all pedos rape kids. Like, sure. But, you know, SO WHAT?

horrible analogy




i guess all white men are school shooters or have it in them to do school shootings then. you know, since pretty much all school shootings (97%) have been done by white men.

[cooterbrown420]

Originally Posted by Cannavore

i'll just leave this here.


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^ i believe the bolded countries are on Trump's muslim ban list. what a threat they pose!



hey lets give the saudi's another $70 billion i'm sure they won't do anything bad with it. ironic how the podesta group lobbies for the saudis and tony podesta is a registered foreign agent/lobbyist with the saudis. must be another coincidence in a long standing line of coincidences.

Shhhhhh Canna you might let the facts get in the way of their propaganda.

[geneva_sativa]

Originally Posted by Weird

https://time.com/4569129/racist-anti...-donald-trump/

potus has nothing to do with it?

https://www.pewresearch.org/2017/01/...as-presidency/

Now how about the collapsing of Syria and Libya during previous presidents reign ?

Also of note, Qadaffi was basically bankrolling the African Union. . . his downfall was the start of boots(US & Co,) on the ground in Africa. . . also was well known prediction of what would happen to Europe if he was taken out. . . but it seems Trump should get blamed for that, huh ?

But hey, keep believing the media. . . we all know they are our friends and tell us nothing but the truth.

Author of Rasta and Resistance, Horace Campbell could tell you what he thinks of the Libyan adventures of previous admin. . . so could the creator of Pan African Newswire. . now I may not agree with them on all things political. . . but they can obviously see a stinking pile of crap for just what it is.

[Elmer Bud]

Originally Posted by Cheesegez

The root cause is the western world terrorising the Middle East for nearly 16 years now , I don’t see any religious ties it’s simply a rebellious movement.

G `day CG

It goes back closer to 100 years .
End of WW 1 . But it was English and French running the show back in the day . Merica in the middle east is a post 1945 thang .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

[Gry]

It dates back to a navy's decision to switch from coal to oil.
Might have had a little some thing to do with the idea that a square deal was
to be carefully avoided in favor of making a killing.

[moose eater]

I'm Agnostic.

Government-backed corporate and/or strategic meddling around the world, to include propping up of despots in places where hate grew by virtue of watching who was handed $ and weapons, how those despots treated their own, etc., all play a roll.. and it started well over a hundred years ago.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Wow.. After reading all of this, I'm staying in for the day, week, month, maybe year or so. Time to find that cave in the real estate section, I think.

A huge thanks for all who strive to see the forest despite the trees. As a person who has hated with cause, for a long time, seen pain and death of loved ones, etc., I will not get on any band-wagons where nationalism and hollow propagandist bullshit are concerned.

Condolences to the families in pain, to the millions our military crippled, maimed or murdered, to the children abducted by extremists in the middle east, Africa, and more, to the religious victims of the Taliban or Mujahedeen, to those raped and murdered by our 'School of the Americas'-trained folks in Central America while fighting those "Marxist atheists" (*Never mind that Marx wasn't an Atheist, speaking of using religion to validate murder and mayhem), and to all people who end up being steam-rolled by Oligarchies and their government hand-puppets, and those affected who don't know it yet.

When our species vanishes from the planet, and the critters remaining sigh in relief, will there be anyone left who really deeply understands why all this bullshit happened? Really?

Dark times.

[Green Squall]

No surprise that the suspect is showing no remorse for what he's done. As he lay wounded in the hospital, he asked to display the ISIS flag in his room and "stated that he felt good about what he had done," prosecutors said in court papers.

I hope one of the nurses "forgets" to administer his pain meds

[Elmer Bud]

G `day Folks

What was it George Dubya said back in 2001 ?
Some thin about may God be on our side ? As he declared war over WMDs ...

Thanks for sharin

EB .

[Water-]

With God On Our Side
WRITTEN BY: BOB DYLAN

Oh my name it is nothin’

My age it means less

The country I come from

Is called the Midwest

I’s taught and brought up there

The laws to abide

And that the land that I live in

Has God on its side



Oh the history books tell it

They tell it so well

The cavalries charged

The Indians fell

The cavalries charged

The Indians died

Oh the country was young

With God on its side



Oh the Spanish-American

War had its day

And the Civil War too

Was soon laid away

And the names of the heroes

l’s made to memorize

With guns in their hands

And God on their side



Oh the First World War, boys

It closed out its fate

The reason for fighting

I never got straight

But I learned to accept it

Accept it with pride

For you don’t count the dead

When God’s on your side



When the Second World War

Came to an end

We forgave the Germans

And we were friends

Though they murdered six million

In the ovens they fried

The Germans now too

Have God on their side



I’ve learned to hate Russians

All through my whole life

If another war starts

It’s them we must fight

To hate them and fear them

To run and to hide

And accept it all bravely

With God on my side



But now we got weapons

Of the chemical dust

If fire them we’re forced to

Then fire them we must

One push of the button

And a shot the world wide

And you never ask questions

When God’s on your side



Through many dark hour

I’ve been thinkin’ about this

That Jesus Christ

Was betrayed by a kiss

But I can’t think for you

You’ll have to decide

Whether Judas Iscariot

Had God on his side



So now as I’m leavin’

I’m weary as Hell

The confusion I’m feelin’

Ain’t no tongue can tell

The words fill my head

And fall to the floor

If God’s on our side

He’ll stop the next war.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

New York attack suspect Sayfullo Saipov charged with terrorism
Saipov, 29, suspected of killing eight people by driving truck on to bike path
Isis videos of beheadings and shootings found on suspect’s cellphone

The suspect in Tuesday’s deadly New York City truck attack appears to have been inspired by violent Isis videos depicting beheadings and shootings, according to prosecutors.

Sayfullo Saipov was taken to the New York federal courthouse in a wheelchair, handcuffed and with his feet shackled on Wednesday, shortly after the charges were announced at a press conference.

The 29-year-old was charged with providing material support to a terrorist group and violence and destruction of motor vehicles.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...rorism-charges

The details of the charges were outlined in criminal complaint filed Wednesday by the US attorney for the southern district court of New York. Prosecutors said in the complaint that Saipov planned the attack for Halloween because he knew more people would be out on the streets. It was the deadliest terrorist act in New York City since 9/11.

Saipov drove a rented Home Depot truck down a bike lane intentionally, killing eight and injuring 12 before crashing into a school bus, exiting and being shot in the stomach by a New York City police department officer. He had planned to continue the attack for several more miles to the Brooklyn Bridge.

According to the complaint, Saipov was inspired by Isis videos he watched on his cellphone and began planning an attack in the US almost a year ago and had rented a truck on 22 October to practice making turns.

Law enforcement recovered two cellphones from the truck used in the attack, including one phone that had approximately 90 videos which appeared to be Isis propaganda, according to the complaint. The videos included footage of fighters shooting someone in the face, beheadings and information on how to make an explosive device.

Saipov was interviewed by law enforcement officials while recovering from the gunshot wound in the hospital, where he asked to display the Isis flag in his room and told officials “he felt good about what he had done”, prosecutors said in the complaint.


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Saipov dropped a pellet gun and paintball gun at the scene, prosecutors said. In the truck, he also left behind a note, handwritten in Arabic and English, that included Islamic religious references.

John Miller, deputy New York police commissioner for intelligence, said at an earlier press conference that Saipov “appears to have followed, almost exactly to a T, the instructions that Isis has put out”.

In the past few years, the Islamic State has exhorted followers online to use vehicles, knives or other close-at-hand means of killing people in their home countries. England, France and Germany have all seen deadly vehicle attacks since mid-2016.

A November 2016 issue of the group’s online magazine detailed features that an attack truck or van should have, suggested renting such a vehicle and recommended targeting crowded streets and outdoor gatherings, according to the Site Intelligence Group, a militant-monitoring agency.

The charge sheet makes extensive note of Saipov’s fervent, pledged support for Isis. It said he wanted to attach the Isis flag to the front and back of his rental truck when he launched the attack, but decided against that as it might draw too much attention to him.

The FBI briefly announced it was looking to question a second Uzbek man in conjunction with the attack on Wednesday but withdrew the bulletin shortly after. “We’ve found him and I’ll leave it at that,” said William Sweeney, assistant director of the FBI’s New York field office, at a press conference on Wednesday night.

The attack killed five people from Argentina, one from Belgium and two Americans, authorities said. Nine people remained hospitalized in serious or critical condition, with injuries that included lost limbs and wounds to the head, chest and neck.

On Wednesday, the Belgian who was killed was identified as Ann-Laure Decadt, 31, the mother of a 3-year-old and a 3-month-old son, who had traveled with her relatives to New York from a rural town in Belgium. Her husband and children had not traveled with her.

The only New Yorker killed in the attack was 23-year-old Nicholas Cleves, a software engineer and web developer who lived in Manhattan’s Greenwich Village.

Online profiles show he went to Elisabeth Irwin high school in New York City and graduated last year from Skidmore College with a degree in computer science. He had been working as a software engineer for the Unified Digital Group.

On the morning after the bloodshed, city leaders vowed New York would not be intimidated, and they commended New Yorkers for going ahead with Halloween festivities on Tuesday night.

They also said Sunday’s New York City Marathon, with 50,000 participants and some 2 million spectators anticipated, will go on as scheduled on 5 November.

“We will not be cowed. We will not be thrown off by anything,” said Mayor Bill de Blasio.

While the mayor said there have been no credible threats of any additional attacks, police said they were adding more sniper teams, bomb-sniffing dogs, helicopters, sand-truck barricades and other security measures along the marathon route, in the subways and at other sites.