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Old 10-18-2017, 08:10 PM #1
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Degumming of extracts

All that ever seems to get discussed is winterization/dewaxin. Yawn. Ever stop and think to what you're leaving in the end product?

Wanna "dewax" more thoroughly and remove additional contamination at without loosing so much time to the freezer? read on.

Some undesirable compounds left after dewaxing have hydrophyllic and phobic components in their chemical chain making separation difficult. A hexane/saline wash takes care of this, but this process scares people away with its "chemicals" and additional labglass. Additionally, hex/salt is more suited for "cleaner" starting materials, ie distillate, unless you wanna put 10gal of salt water through a few grams of shit crude.

While i still usually perform some sep funnel work after these processes, it's not necessary to ending up with a great result.

So degumming. There are a few ways of going about removing gums and phosphitides from an extract. I'm only going to cover portions of one way.

So kids if you wanna try something fun at home go to the canning section in the store or amazon and grab some citric acid.

i like to take my "rough crude" nothing more than regular filtered alcohol extract and when its down to a 4:1 volume of alc:extract and still warm from solvent recovery ill dump in a couple hundred ml's of water/citric acid and the separation happens right before your eyes. You can toss it in the freezer at this point for an hour or two to promote further nucleation of shit.

You'll be left with a hell of a pile of soap and some much clearer and cleaner extract to work from.

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how well would it work at a 10:1 ratio?

you mention using filtered alcohol extract, so this means you extracted with alcohol, and then filtered that through a filter of some kind before adding the citric acid? was it chilled before filtering?
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$15/5lb

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Dissolves mineral deposits better than CLR. I use some with my toothpaste if I don't get around to brushing my teeth for a few days. Incredible cutting power for being basically non-toxic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid


Also a picture of a bag of Citric Acid (Lemon Powder) from India, it is used as a coagulant to produce paneer, curd separated from whey. If you kneed paneer too long smoothing it into chhena, the butterfat will ooze out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneer
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"How To Make Paneer?

Best Answer:

INGREDIENTS:

* 1 litre full-cream milk (use lean milk for a low-fat version)
* ½ tsp citric acid/lemon juice
* ½ cup warm water

PREPARATION:

* Set the milk up to boil.
* As the milk is readied, dissolve the citric acid/lemon juice in half a cup of warm water.
* When the milk comes to a boil, pour the acid-water/lemon juice-water mix into it.
* Reduce the heat and stir continuously until the milk is completely curdled.
# Remove from the heat when the separation of the curds and yellowish whey is complete.
# Strain the mixture through a clean muslin cloth.
# Hold it under running water for a minute and then press out the excess water.
# Hang the muslin for 15-20 minutes so that all the whey is drained out.
# To make the paneer into a block tie the muslin and place it under something heavy.
# The paneer can now be cut into chunks and used as required.

Anonymous · 10 years ago"
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...1032123AAEm1C2


Pictures at an India sweet and snack shop, sandesh, chum chums, and rasgoolas made with curd, also a two foot dosa, the result of thousands of years perfecting munchie satisfying delights.
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Citric acid also decarbs cannabis, so watch your times of exposure.
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Citric acid also decarbs cannabis, so watch your times of exposure.
right? how much soap you wanna make and how much can you sell artisnal canna soap for
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Dissolves mineral deposits better than CLR. I use some with my toothpaste if I don't get around to brushing my teeth for a few days. Incredible cutting power for being basically non-toxic.
gotta get a bentonite, carbon, Citric scrub goin peeeeeearly whites
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how well would it work at a 10:1 ratio?

you mention using filtered alcohol extract, so this means you extracted with alcohol, and then filtered that through a filter of some kind before adding the citric acid? was it chilled before filtering?
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pay to play, google or crack a book.
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Subbed and a bit confused. Is that a frozen puck of concentrate covered with impurities that freeze BUT are excluded from the puck?

Thanks. reducing the volume of some ethanol extract right now.
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Interesting. Instagram was all abuzz about this recently, there is a picture of the reaction on @Future4200's IG, they don't go into detail but it sparks some interesting experiments for sure. I work with CO2 and it doesn't tend to pull a lot of phospholipids but as Hexane/Pentane aren't allowed in WA 502 this could be a valid way to improve the quality of concentrates on a fairly broad scale.
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Interesting. Instagram was all abuzz about this recently, there is a picture of the reaction on @Future4200's IG, they don't go into detail but it sparks some interesting experiments for sure. I work with CO2 and it doesn't tend to pull a lot of phospholipids but as Hexane/Pentane aren't allowed in WA 502 this could be a valid way to improve the quality of concentrates on a fairly broad scale.
oh the mass "outing of tech" that many have treated like an inside joke over the past year or so.

it's pretty damn simple and i've yet to see a yield loss over more "conventional" methods worth noting.

Research more and there are a ton of pretty simple ways of doing the same some more efficient than others. Enzymatic degumming is a tailored process.
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