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Old 10-11-2017, 03:22 PM #1
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Pheno variations in clones from same plant

Hi,

I have different pheno expressions from 3 clones who come from same single plant.

Wonder how much variations we can find and how it works from a genetics perspective?

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Phenotype expression is determined by genotype and environment.

They were grown indoors?
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Phenotype expression is determined by genotype and environment.

They were grown indoors?
Hi Mikell, outdoor, same spot, same soil, same sun and rain. Everything is same environment.
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So how does genotype differ from one clone to another as They come from same plant?
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It doesn't. A top clone may grow differently to a side clone at first. Within a few weeks it's all the same.

Pics always go a long way...

A med grower in my area is convinced he gets different phenos from top, middle and bottom of plant. Well he is out of his mind...
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It has been my experience that a plant's attributes can change and cuttings will show those same attributes.

Example--majority of my cuttings are the result of snipping the top 5" of my plants. Occasionally there will be a plant that something happened (nothing physical or injurious)...but instead of the normal single main stem--there will be multiple vertical shoots (as in super cropping). The stems are thinner, tight internodes, and they just "look different" when compared to her sisters.

It has been my experience, cuttings sourced from those plants that show "super crop" attributes produce plants that show the same. Hence I have "two lines" from the same "mom". Those the show super crop attributes and those that don't.

Second observation is the donor plant's health/vitality: Runts begot runts--and Amazon Ladies begot Amazon Ladies. Take a cutting from the very bottom and it will usually root sooner but will also have a thinner stalk...snip the top and it may take a bit longer to root, but it will also have a thicker stalk. When both of these two plants are grown to maturity--the plant sourced from the bottom cutting will display a thinner stalk...compared to her sister.

The question some might have is: Over time, shouldn't the "super crop" line revert back to "normalcy"? Well, that has not been my experience.
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It doesn't. A top clone may grow differently to a side clone at first. Within a few weeks it's all the same.

Pics always go a long way...

A med grower in my area is convinced he gets different phenos from top, middle and bottom of plant. Well he is out of his mind...
I have had plants show 2 phenos on one plant and had the separate phenos show at other times (have pictures if it is that interesting to you)

all things weren't equal to the plant obviously, although the differential may not be noted by the cultivator
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And that dudding attribute too...you know, that internode situation where instead of a nice shoot (future branch) above the leaf--there is just the leaf (no future branch action). I have seen this attribute passed on to subsequent cuttings as well.

What caused the original dudding? Environment? Nutrient deficiency/excess? Aibiotic or biotic stress? Hard to say.
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Ok thx for info guys. So you''re never sure to have the same pheno when you Take A cutting and grow it.
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