[HWY36]

So my friend seems to think that longer soak times produce better crumble. He believes that fats, lipids, shit from water leaves, left over cigarette butts from trimmers, (kidding on the last one) all help the crumble to be more stable. Is he crazy like a fox or just crazy?

I've tried to explain that it will yield darker wax. I try to sound smart like GW talking about C-30, longer chain molecules when in actuality I really don't know what the f!@#$% that means. What the f1@#$ does that mean?

[HWY36]

Damn! 78 views and nuthin but a donut. C'mon guys; how bout a quick yes or no? Do longer soak times produce better crumble? :0

[MrBungle]

I think it has to do with moisture content or (lack there of) in the oil while you are purging it.... but I'm about as clued in as you my friend

[sodanksodank]

Well... In my opinion it would help promote buttering naturally, but it is not going to be a higher quality product with everything that the butane picked up in that longer soak. There are ways to make dank butter without an extra long soak. Messing with heat. vacuum pressure, and agitating it a bit should get you what you need.

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by HWY36

So my friend seems to think that longer soak times produce better crumble. He believes that fats, lipids, shit from water leaves, left over cigarette butts from trimmers, (kidding on the last one) all help the crumble to be more stable. Is he crazy like a fox or just crazy?

I've tried to explain that it will yield darker wax. I try to sound smart like GW talking about C-30, longer chain molecules when in actuality I really don't know what the f!@#$% that means. What the f1@#$ does that mean?

The stuff we want is clinging to the outside of the plant. C-55 Chlorophyll, pheophytin, C-40 beta Carotene are on the inside of the plant, coated by C-30 plant waxes.

C stands for carbon and the number that follows tells you how many there are. Accompanying the carbon, but not called out are hydrogen and sometimes oxygen atoms. A monoterpene for instance might have 10 carbons, 16 hydrogens, and maybe an oxygen atom.

The bigger the molecule, the more its extraction rate is reduced by subzero temperatures, so by dropping the temperature we extract primarily the C-10 monoterpenes through the C-22 cannabinoids, none of which have much color beyond light yellow.

The anthocyanin plant pigments are C-15 and colorful, but water soluble, so freezing ties them up in the ice, so the solvent doesn't reach them.

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by HWY36

Damn! 78 views and nuthin but a donut. C'mon guys; how bout a quick yes or no? Do longer soak times produce better crumble? :0

It picks up more points of nucleation so that waxing is more probable, but they are contaminants that don't add to to vape quality.

[HWY36]

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

The stuff we want is clinging to the outside of the plant. C-55 Chlorophyll, pheophytin, C-40 beta Carotene are on the inside of the plant, coated by C-30 plant waxes.

C stands for carbon and the number that follows tells you how many there are. Accompanying the carbon, but not called out are hydrogen and sometimes oxygen atoms. A monoterpene for instance might have 10 carbons, 16 hydrogens, and maybe an oxygen atom.

The bigger the molecule, the more its extraction rate is reduced by subzero temperatures, so by dropping the temperature we extract primarily the C-10 monoterpenes through the C-22 cannabinoids, none of which have much color beyond light yellow.

The anthocyanin plant pigments are C-15 and colorful, but water soluble, so freezing ties them up in the ice, so the solvent doesn't reach them.

Sooooo when you say the anthocyanin plant pigments are colorful, aren't they more reddish, orange and brown, rather than yellow?

My friend believes fats and lipids, and yes, waterleaves, help make the crumble more stable. I can see how it would help nucleate the product but it seems to me fats would make the crumble less stable, no?

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by HWY36

Sooooo when you say the anthocyanin plant pigments are colorful, aren't they more reddish, orange and brown, rather than yellow?

My friend believes fats and lipids, and yes, waterleaves, help make the crumble more stable. I can see how it would help nucleate the product but it seems to me fats would make the crumble less stable, no?

Anthocyanins can range from pink (red) to blue, depending on Ph.

High fats might make it less predictable than high waxes.

[WhiteTyrus]

Originally Posted by Gray Wolf

Anthocyanins can range from pink (red) to blue, depending on Ph.

High fats might make it less predictable than high waxes.

Are there any waxes in water leaves or just fats? Or non Of the above

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by WhiteTyrus

Are there any waxes in water leaves or just fats? Or non Of the above

The waxes coat the leaves and stems. The fats and lipids come from inside the plant cells.

I use fan leaves in topicals, but not in my vaporizing material because it has a different taste and effect.