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Old 10-03-2017, 02:28 AM #1
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best method to make caviar/ moonrocks

I know you take some high quality flowers, soak/cover them in hash oil and roll in kief.

My question is, what is the best way to get the hash oil more of a liquid to where I can "dunk" the buds in it to cover them.

Mix the hash oil with coconut oil? Mix it with Propylene glycol?

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When using data we can prove it, and it has been proven for many decades; it's just in the cannabis world people don't like to read anything other than lame and BS filled books from so-called cannabis gurus.

but the fact is plants (C3) grow the most at night and very early morning (i.e. the greater cellular growth and repair). Thus, if we provide the same DLI (Daily Light Integral), i.e., the sum amount of photons within PAR range in a meter^2:in 18 hours as we do in 24 hours, the plants under 18 hours of light will grow faster than those under 24 hours of light.


That is the point most people are misunderstanding, it's not about hours per day, it's about photons per day.
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Step 1:

Don't make fucking moonrocks.

Failing that, warm the oil. Both of those are horrible ideas for a terrible product.
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Warm it up and dip. Don't mix with anything. Enjoy!
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Step 1:

Don't make fucking moonrocks.

Failing that, warm the oil. Both of those are horrible ideas for a terrible product.

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Old 10-03-2017, 04:56 AM #5
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Not a good idea to combust either of those things, however mct, refined coconut oil is known to give off a cool blue smoke at its smoke point (350F)
...so much of it in fact you'll be the hit of the party, however it does burn your eyes a bit in a hot box...or so I've heard.

However smoking usually involves temps around 600-1200F so most oils would reach their smoke points at these temps which is when they start emitting alot of toxins and is not recommended in cooking to go past those points.

Have heard propylene glycol emits the worst stuff like cyanide or carcinogens or something...maybe a resident chemist or expert can enlighten us. However the same people giving this advice would argue agaisnt combustion flower or hash oil for the same reasons so who is to say that one thing is worse than the other, aside from noticing things like burning eyes lol...

I just know adding vegetal glycerin or polypropylene to flower makes it taste gross I wouldn't do it.

Maybe refined hemp oil would be alright?

Terpenes...already present in flower but in low ratios, could possibly have ones that release bad stuff if you reach too high a concentration on top of not knowing what other additives are present or left over from the isolation, although perhaps using the steam distilling or short path or whatever they use could yield a clean product not sure on that one. Always good to take a test hit with a drop before making too big a batch as some are just nasty but limonene or citrus terpenes are probably fairly safe.

I am sure there is probably a million different esters or organic compounds that may work or be similar to terpenes but I have no experience in this matter.
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Not a good idea to combust either of those things, however mct, refined coconut oil is known to give off a cool blue smoke at its smoke point (350F)
...so much of it in fact you'll be the hit of the party, however it does burn your eyes a bit in a hot box...or so I've heard.

However smoking usually involves temps around 600-1200F so most oils would reach their smoke points at these temps which is when they start emitting alot of toxins and is not recommended in cooking to go past those points.

Have heard propylene glycol emits the worst stuff like cyanide or carcinogens or something...maybe a resident chemist or expert can enlighten us. However the same people giving this advice would argue agaisnt combustion flower or hash oil for the same reasons so who is to say that one thing is worse than the other, aside from noticing things like burning eyes lol...

I just know adding vegetal glycerin or polypropylene to flower makes it taste gross I wouldn't do it.

Maybe refined hemp oil would be alright?

Terpenes...already present in flower but in low ratios, could possibly have ones that release bad stuff if you reach too high a concentration on top of not knowing what other additives are present or left over from the isolation, although perhaps using the steam distilling or short path or whatever they use could yield a clean product not sure on that one. Always good to take a test hit with a drop before making too big a batch as some are just nasty but limonene or citrus terpenes are probably fairly safe.

I am sure there is probably a million different esters or organic compounds that may work or be similar to terpenes but I have no experience in this matter.
Thanks for the intelligent answer. I obviously don't know, so that's why I asked. Thanks for not being a dbag like those other tools in this thread.
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When using data we can prove it, and it has been proven for many decades; it's just in the cannabis world people don't like to read anything other than lame and BS filled books from so-called cannabis gurus.

but the fact is plants (C3) grow the most at night and very early morning (i.e. the greater cellular growth and repair). Thus, if we provide the same DLI (Daily Light Integral), i.e., the sum amount of photons within PAR range in a meter^2:in 18 hours as we do in 24 hours, the plants under 18 hours of light will grow faster than those under 24 hours of light.


That is the point most people are misunderstanding, it's not about hours per day, it's about photons per day.
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For sure it's somewhat of a taboo subject as people often think your trying to cut your oil and "rip" people off while others prefer cannabis in its natural state...

But Terpenes are more responsible for the type of high than anything else...for example have over .5% Myrcene it's going to be indica affects, less than .5% sativa, so you can actually make some of the most sedative meds around by going heavy on the Myrcene, nerolidol and Linalool...

I have had some customers love flavorings/ terpenes enhancements and others never talk to me again, as drug addicts are not always the most rational people...for example try mixing some sugar into a coke heads gram and see what happens when it starts pancaking on em lol...not always the most prettiests of sights.
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Yeah you're overthinking it.

Warm the oil.

If an intelligent answer is another seed oil well fuck me sideways, I'm riding the shortbus from here on out. Noncannabis terpenes would ride the price up, not to mention leaving an unstable product likely to effect the outer coating.

A douchebag is the type of person that realized one day they could sell fuzzy flower covered in black oil and green sift to the clowniest of their customers, probably a mindset learned stomping 8 balls into twenty dollar flaps.

Have you ever tried to roll or pack a bowl with a moonrock? It's a stupid sticky mess.

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I do not see why you would do this but if, I would suggest to dilute your "hash oil" with food grade as pure as possible alcohol and dip your buds in that or spray it on your buds.
Then let evaporate the alcohol et voila.
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I do not see why you would do this but if, I would suggest to dilute your "hash oil" with food grade as pure as possible alcohol and dip your buds in that or spray it on your buds.
Then let evaporate the alcohol et voila.
I guarantee this idea is going to ruin your buds, anyone who has tried purging alcohol from cocentrate would know that...

So for a little summary, so far we have had two sacarcastic supercillious douche bag responsers...one person presenting usefully information then we had one of the douche bag responders actually come back and try to one up the useful information in a condescending and self righteous tone, and now we have this troll showing up giving advice that is sure to ruin any flower his method is used on...great
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