[coldcanna]

@mushroom- what strain was your buddy running? also agree with you that location is a huge factor- a good steady breeze can be a life savor. the farm I own now is down in a valley and we dont get much air movement.

@weird- dont mean this to be a tit for tat arguement i just think we're talking apples and oranges here. yes i agree with you that proper cultivars, location selection, and organic preventatives are the first steps taken by responsible growers. For example in my situation I know that my location sucks but I am stuck here for another year. Cultivars take time and can be spead up with science that I dont have access to. I agree with legalization in the sense that now real scientists can look for genetic markers to pest resistance and selective breed us away from botrytis and PM.

There is a separate underlying dynamic here. As much as people argue against intensive agriculture vs small organic, intensive is what has allowed so many people to move away from farming and pursue other interests. Since the industrial revolution the life expectancy of people has skyrocketed and famine does not exist in the industrialized world. I appreciate the quality and care of organics and go with them when I can- but the simple fact is you go to the grocery store and organic products cost twice as much! So in this case quantity does outstrip quality- sure it would be fantastic if our country could be fed entirely organically for an affordable price but the fact is that economics speak for themselves and the lack of efficiency leads to higher prices.

That being said- the past/current paradigm of marijuana will not exist in 10 years. The bulk of street weed is untested for fungicides like Eagle (which I have never used) or other chemicals and this weed is the "big ag" of pot. And of course there are artisans and for sake of arguements I will call you the artisan at this point. They will always have their place but the bulk of people will appreciate more efficiency. In fact I digress that if you are an activist for pot you would support the cheapest available way to produce clean product for consumers so EVERYBODY can afford it.

Right now in colorado only half of sales are for actual flower and it continues now- people realize that concentrates in the form of edibles and vaping are a healthier and more convienent way. Now if I and you both belief that marijuana has unbelievable benefits medically and spiritually- and I come up with a way to supply 5 or 10 people's week supply of cannabinoids for the cost that your artisan method can supply 1 or 2, who is helping society more?

I'm not simply talking about taking moldy weed and processing it, I'm talking about producing weed as a field crop where it would be literally impossible to keep things perfect. (if it were possible you woud not see grape growers having mold issues year over year) Now we take the 3 steps of prevention that we both agree on and all i'm saying is adding one more preventative process during concentration and in the end lab results on my product come back as clean as yours. At this point how are your artisan cannabinoids any better than my production cannabinoids? a molecule is a molecule no matter what stigma you place on it. except that my methods will turn off all the fossil fuel consuming grow lights and air conditioners that the "artisan" guys use. so my "profiteering methods" are saving tons of energy and pollution while reducing wasted material- who's method is really better for the environment and the people ?


ed: And I guess I should add, theres nothing stopping a field crop grower from producing his/her crop MJ crop organically and even no till and using OMRI products for spray

[coldcanna]

And for what its worth- "product" signifies a finished item ready for market. I am not talking about selling moldy flowers, or even cleaning flowers to sell as "clean flowers". I am talking about adding a step to conventional extraction methods as an extra measure of safety.

So when you say "inferior product" what you are actually referring to is inferior inputs. If the end result is a concentrate that is tested and is as clean as anything else than by definition the finished product would not be inferior, it would meet all requirements set forth by regulations and would be indistinguishable from anything else. So if on a biochemical level both finished products are indistinguishable from each other the input is irrelevant.

[mushroombrew]

@Mikell

Hopefully you don't take this the wrong way lol:-

You can be such a dickhead...But you crack me up!

[mushroombrew]

Artisan is a good choice of words.

I just had a thought. Rec testing looks for spores right? Do they even test for myo's and afla's in extracts?
I was under the impression they check a slide for spores?

I will contact my lab I am curious. I never cared to know the tiny details. "pass" is all I need.

If they do not test for toxins specifically a whole lot of those toxins might make it to market.

Forgive my hypotheses but if you developed a "cleaning" process you would be improving quality/standards would you not?

[mushroombrew]

@coldcanna they had Afghani hybrids. I think it was also in an effort to reduce the footprint. 16ft sativas are pretty obvious on a hillside coverd in 3ft brush...

And the choppers fly incessantly.

Shit I'll ask him.

[coldcanna]

haha yea I could imagine- it aint too bad here i'm in legal maine... you put an 18" plant in the ground june 1st and its about 6-7ft after stretch. flowering for us starts end of july into early august, 1st frost is early-mid october, such a short grow season it makes me jealous of all the warm weather guys crushing it into november.