[mushroombrew]

@Weird.

I totally understand your morality and point of view. And I do feel it is sad to see "Producers" dropping standards.

But I am not going to persecute the OP for trying.

It's always going to be the lesser of evils. Do you want these "money hungry" growers to spray Eagle 20 all over the planet? Giant indoor monoculture will battle pM forever. And it does clear although not listed. Tons of producers use it illicitly. If their product fails testing they just sit on it another 60 days and test again. I saw a gallon of Eagle at an organic facility...hmm.

So I ask you this. What if a totally safe method of mold removal from extracts was invented? You you think everyone will just grow moldy flower and say fuck it? Of course they won't.

So it's down to this.

Eagle 20 vs Successful removal of aflatoxins

Because most don't grow flowers like you do...

I don't grow moldy bud in OR.

Had problems in Hawaii. Discarded anything questionable.

[coldcanna]

First off I'm just going to say that having bud rot issues indoors is completely uncalled for- enough fans and proper climate control make it rather avoidable. I've also heard the PM horror stories from the large scale guys going legal and that is tough because there are different varities of PM that thrive under both dry or humid conditions.

I digress- a simple business analysis will show you that when things become federally legal I guarantee that no more than 15-20% of bud will be grown indoors. The rest will be in fields like hemp or in controlled greenhouses. The cost for a business to produce a pound of indoors is $6-800/lb and that isn't sustainable. Prices are going to drop to the point they resemble other commodities like tomatoes or tobacco.

When people are forced to leave the perfect climate control of these warehouses they will be forced to overcome the elements of nature just like our other farmer brethren. Real industrial chemists will come up with solutions like what I am suggesting.

Weird I'm proud of you that you don't have to deal with bud rot in your closet grow. Maybe next summer you could post your own grow log showing us how to produce large sums of flower outdoors with no issues popping up. It'd be a hit- I'm sure the "hack" grape growers in Napa or the peanut growers in Georgia who deal with mold/mildew every year could learn a lot from your brilliance.

[mushroombrew]

I wish it was "uncalled for" @coldcanna.

I have seen pM thrive at an RH of 30% indoors. Had a clone come in with it. Got the RH really low in quarantine thinking it would slow. Well it didn't. I was so blown away by how aggressive it was I didn't even treat it. It got tossed.

You are correct about the bulk of flower going outside in the near future.

The more open monoculture there is the more these things will spread.

And with so much damn flower around you know the extract biz will be huge. And they will have aflatoxins pretty often I think.

Go by a pack of cigarettes and run a mold/pesticide panel. Holy fuck no wonder they are carcinogenic!

[aquavitae]

hey coldcanna,

apologize if my comment came of as rude or cheeky to you, definitely
was not the intention. definitely also emphatize with the mortgage situation
and the problem that result from it. would be still hesitant to acquire said product
if you tell me or I find out that it was mold ridden beforehands, eventhough it
somehow was possible to make it invisible or of the likes.
additionally, would think twice about researching or improving techniques that
make it possible to sell product that used to be moldy or sub par in
other ways, and increase the danger of people intentionally wanting to sell
a subpar product without improving the quality, and the danger of flooding the market
with sub par products in general.

sure understand thats not what you want to get from this thread,
hope it leads to people avoiding mold in the first place. acknowledging
that some people dont care that the product is mold ridden and still would
smoke it.

AV

[coldcanna]

@mushroombrew- you may have mistook what I was saying... bud rot as in botrytis, aka grey or brown mold can be avoided rather easily indoors. Powder mildew is a different creature all together and can thrive in a range of climates. Neem works great against it if applied every 4-5 days but once you have mildew you gotta basically burn the room.

@aquavitae- I also wouldn't smoke anything moldy or sell it, in past years I have literally tossed out 10-15k worth of moldy buds just because I didn't have a remedy for it. So I'm there with you on that perspective

[coldcanna]

I look forward to the days where locally adapted cultivars can be developed, its just at this point there isnt. In the north you start to get frost early October some years, so mold-resistant sativas cant finish. Its also super humid and has cool nights so the fast, monster indica buds literally decay from the inside out.

I say all this, I'm sure that once weed can be shipped across state lines it will all be grown in Arizona or somewhere with low RH and lots of sunshine.

[brown_thumb]

I'm not a seller but am trying to grow what I need to treat my own ills. I know if I lost most of a crop (I have) it hurts. Knowing how to safely save a crop is invaluable to folks like me who don't have any reserves to fall back on.

So... I'm watching this thread and trying to learn from those who are willing to participate positively.

[mushroombrew]

Originally Posted by coldcanna

@mushroombrew- you may have mistook what I was saying... bud rot as in botrytis, aka grey or brown mold can be avoided rather easily indoors. Powder mildew is a different creature all together and can thrive in a range of climates. Neem works great against it if applied every 4-5 days but once you have mildew you gotta basically burn the room.

@aquavitae- I also wouldn't smoke anything moldy or sell it, in past years I have literally tossed out 10-15k worth of moldy buds just because I didn't have a remedy for it. So I'm there with you on that perspective

Got it. Yes big distinction.

There is a high Desert PM that loves american genetics. I was just at a huge larf growing site. You know 180 day veg under single gavita in 45G bag... I feel like hanging myself just thinking about it!

I digress; they have PM really bad in flower. RH 45%

Sour Nightmare, BB#3 and Sour diesel are fit for the trash can.

The NL hybrid stuffed in with them is spotless!! Faak!

And seeing as I am feet first into American i stopped by the nearest gas station and set myself on fire!! Seriously though I disrobed far from the grow. A spore brother. Just one and your crops done.

[coldcanna]

From my own experimentation with genetics it seems that sativa dom hybrids do the best in regards to humidity related disease- as they are native to tropical areas. My sour D hardly gets any rot, just I usually have to cut her down 2-3 weeks early every fall because of the cold temps coming in. I would imagine that in a high desert you might be better off with indica doms as the hindu kush are high and dry.

@brown thumb and others- I'm glad to see some people with an open mind. As far as experiments go I'm a little ways out from being able to post anything... its prime time harvest right now so we are burried. I was kind of hoping someone on here had already tried distillation or anything else and had something to add here but I suppose the idea of ground breaking research is somewhat exciting so I guess we'll have to stay posted on that front

[mushroombrew]

Steep hill article.

https://steephilllab.com/mycotoxins-molds-and-cannabis/

"Another commonly-appearing Aspergillus strain is a mycotoxin called Aflatoxin, which is among the most carcinogenic chemicals known. Aflatoxin has been found in the breast milk of mammals eating contaminated feed, peanut butter, cooking oils such as olive oil, and in patients using contaminated cosmetics. Liquid chromatography (LC) testing has shown at least faint traces of Aflatoxin in at least 50% of food samples tested."

And if anyone should be closed minded about mold it should be me!! I got black mold poisoning in HI last year.
If I eat any carbs I get sick quickly. The spores use sugars and produce myotoxins. It's been over a year on a zero carb diet.
Fuck it I am so ripped!! haha!