[Gypsy Nirvana]

Originally Posted by slaveplanet

interesting...

but you were raised in the u.k. and had a upbringing and had experiences before the age of 15 that have formed your personality in various ways, just like everybody else in this (deformed) world.

and the world you have seen is already the perverted construct that has arisen out of madness , underneath it is the truth.

beneath the pavement... the beach

I didn't grow up within any sort of family that you might consider 'normal' or 'run-of-the-mill'...

I was born in a caravan, and always traveled around a lot within the UK, and as I grew my sights were on going further abroad to make my own discoveries as to what I perceived this world was about.

You say the truth is beneath the pavement and the beach, so I assume that you have been a miner, and/or have lived a subterranean existence in the underworld where you found 'the truth'

Pray tell, what is this 'truth' that you speak of.

[slaveplanet]

Originally Posted by Gypsy Nirvana

I didn't grow up within any sort of family that you might consider 'normal' or 'run-of-the-mill'...

I was born in a caravan, and always traveled around a lot within the UK, and as I grew my sights were on going further abroad to make my own discoveries as to what I perceived this world was about.

You say the truth is beneath the pavement and the beach, so I assume that you have been a miner, and/or have lived a subterranean existence in the underworld where you found 'the truth'

Pray tell, what is this 'truth' that you speak of.

no, that was a misunderstanding... "beneath the pavement, the beach" was a slogan in france during the riots 1968.
beneath the pavement (oppression, ugliness, work, imprisonment, destruction etc. lies freedom, beneath the city (prison, culture) lies nature, freedom... maybe you could also say that underneath everyones artificial self there lies the true human...

but maybe you could also say that i have been a miner but not in the underworld but my mind and the minds of others and society, digging deeper into the hidden ideas, symbols, thoughts and digging deeper into history waking up to reality, yes ... waking up is a very good picture for it waking up to the discover that i wasn't human but a machine and now i try to be human again with my very limited possibilities to do so

my truth is that we live in paradise, well at least this once was paradise, and have been corrupted...(not in a religious, christian way) a very long story

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Originally Posted by slaveplanet

no, that was a misunderstanding... "beneath the pavement, the beach" was a slogan in france during the riots 1968.
beneath the pavement (oppression, ugliness, work, imprisonment, destruction etc. lies freedom, beneath the city (prison, culture) lies nature, freedom... maybe you could also say that underneath everyones artificial self there lies the true human...

but maybe you could also say that i have been a miner but not in the underworld but my mind and the minds of others and society, digging deeper into the hidden ideas, symbols, thoughts and digging deeper into history waking up to reality, yes ... waking up is a very good picture for it waking up to the discover that i wasn't human but a machine and now i try to be human again with my very limited possibilities to do so

my truth is that we live in paradise, well at least this once was paradise, and have been corrupted...(not in a religious, christian way) a very long story

OK, so you are talking about “sous le pave: la plage” (under the pavement: the beach). The beach.....the incarnation of a natural, undesignated and non-utilitarian space....which was the opposite of the street, a historic relic of a designated, oppressive environment based on private property.

You say that you were once 'a machine', and are now trying to be a human again....what sort of machine were you, before you decided to go on a quest for humanity?

[stoned-trout]

No!!! It ruins my buzz...yeehaw

[slaveplanet]

Originally Posted by Gypsy Nirvana

OK, so you are talking about “sous le pave: la plage” (under the pavement: the beach). The beach.....the incarnation of a natural, undesignated and non-utilitarian space....which was the opposite of the street, a historic relic of a designated, oppressive environment based on private property.

You say that you were once 'a machine', and are now trying to be a human again....what sort of machine were you, before you decided to go on a quest for humanity?

a machine in the machine , like everybody else...
not a soldier or a stateslave or something like that, also never was a "normal" worker but i always thought i could improve the world and never looked out for myself and worked like a madman to achieve something i now know was also just a kind of indoctrination, just a machine (or a robot, a slave) doing what it has been told to do, but thinking it was my own idea, it is hard to describe ...

a machine does a task that it is programmed to do, i didn't want to be a machine anymore, it was a process over a period of time and then one thing led to another and i woke up for earnest and since then am learning about myself and the world in another light, in the beginning it was scary, still is when you really are aware of whats going on, but also very liberating. it's like coming home, discovering what is real and what is not, what was taken from us, stopping the self-destruction as far as possible.

maybe you understand it a bit

[coldcanna]

So if your talking about post materialism I understand that it's about freeing yourself from the need for obtaining material wealth and unnecessary luxuries and therefore the need to work so much. I'm all for minimalism.

My question for you is, suppose everything you are saying is true and society needs to be remade.... what does the new one look like ? And I don't mean just in a metaphorical sense of "being awake", how would the basic human needs be met? I mean like food, water, buildings for shelter, security? What type of organization or government structure do you envision ?

[slaveplanet]

Originally Posted by coldcanna

So if your talking about post materialism I understand that it's about freeing yourself from the need for obtaining material wealth and unnecessary luxuries and therefore the need to work so much. I'm all for minimalism.

My question for you is, suppose everything you are saying is true and society needs to be remade.... what does the new one look like ? And I don't mean just in a metaphorical sense of "being awake", how would the basic human needs be met? I mean like food, water, buildings for shelter, security? What type of organization or government structure do you envision ?

a good book is also "in the absence of the sacred" by jerry mander.

in it he compares native peoples and technological peoples among other things.

how would human needs be met... well if our overlords weren't such kind and caring people only wanting our best, having brought us to destroy our own home (earth) and ourselves, well then it would be rather easy to get what we need in abundance and in a healthier and more natural way than with drive throughs and vitamin pills.

i don't believe we as humans will survive long enough that the questions you ask are of relevance , but if they would survive, then the answer is quite simple, you are human and you are native to earth

[Gry]

Originally Posted by stoned-trout

No!!! It ruins my buzz...yeehaw

one man's heaven...

Neat thread.

[coldcanna]

Originally Posted by slaveplanet

a good book is also "in the absence of the sacred" by jerry mander.

in it he compares native peoples and technological peoples among other things.

how would human needs be met... well if our overlords weren't such kind and caring people only wanting our best, having brought us to destroy our own home (earth) and ourselves, well then it would be rather easy to get what we need in abundance and in a healthier and more natural way than with drive throughs and vitamin pills.

i don't believe we as humans will survive long enough that the questions you ask are of relevance , but if they would survive, then the answer is quite simple, you are human and you are native to earth

Interesting angle. I do think we would need a massive die off of population to go back to living off the land. If everyone dropped farming and hunted/ gathered it wouldn't even be a year before the lakes were fished dry and there wasn't a deer to be found. The industrial revolution and intensive farming has grown the human population to levels beyond its natural carrying capacity.

[coldcanna]

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/29/sc...ians-ills.html


A very large study on the health of natives before the arrival of Columbus. Turns out their lifespan was around 35