[Cannavore]

Originally Posted by coldcanna

Enlightened people realize that power is best left in the hands of the people. It breaks my heart to see my generation embracing the evils of government control and socialism, people won't realize what freedoms we had until they are all gone

but socialism empowers the people lol.


no gods no masters

[slaveplanet]

Originally Posted by Gypsy Nirvana

Seriously .....I think that the whole right/left thing is a game to keep the people divided by those that really have control.

problem is that there is a level above the obvious left/right view that is not seen as ideology or indoctrination or drill etc. but as natural or normal that does not have to be questioned. automatized thoughts and beliefs, thoughts that are seen as objective or true but are only seen as true and objective because they have been told to us so many times and we have to see the world how it is taught to us.

the vast majority of people (me included with the difference that i am a bit further in some thoughts and a bit more open-minded to explore in a certain direction) who believe they are critical or have a different opinion on subjects or think they have found the truth do not know that precisely the "new" thought they have or maybe have found on the internet is already an indoctrinated view.

a good example is the idea of work or labour as a natural and completely normal condition of human existence, even used to define people as "good" or "worthy" etc. even going so far as to destroy ones own body and mind to fulfill the requirement of "culture" "state", "nation", "corporation", "nature", "self-fulfillment", "progress" etc.
work was once seen as something undesirable, over the course of centuries it has become so normal that people now can't believe that life has any other meaning than to work or to achieve or to produce etc.

that is pure indoctrination, ideology, dressage, training, drill etc. at work in it's perfect form, another nice example would be the notion that life is a struggle and a competition or even war, another one is that everything is scarce, another one is that money is normal and belongs to human societies naturally, another one is that humans have the right and even the duty to subdue nature or the earth and produce etc.

so what i want to say is that the majority of the now planetary population are so indoctrinated and automated and robotic that they can not see the constructs they have been told and are telling themselves.
the masters themselves believe their own lies they cant see the constructs anymore either.
in certain schools of psychology this is well known or for example adorno, fromm marcuse etc. analysed this in depth in a certain direction with very interesting conclusions.
a psychologist once said to me that we are governed by an anti-social sadistical over ego... there certainly is some kind of truth in that.

[Cannavore]

americans are intellectually lazy and want information spoon fed to them. problem is the spoon is made of lead and it has poisoned their minds.

[soundman]

Originally Posted by coldcanna

Flipping through the Sunday morning news programs I find myself pondering what can you really believe anymore? If you're on the right you watch Fox and read Breitbart or Washington Times, if you're more left you have pretty much all the other media outlets in your camp. I try to read and watch a little bit of everything to balance things out, but this raises the question..... as a responsible citizen where can you even go to get accurate information anymore?

I know there are plenty of talented journalists out there but media is a business at the end of the day and their editors are pushing stories that fit storylines which bring them revenue and readers.

I am at home all day everyday. I only trust what I see for myself, like speeches, interviews etc. I then watch a couple media outlets to see who and how things are reported.

FOX is by far the most balanced source. If I had to trust just what the media tells me, editorials etc, I rarely get the whole truth.

You have to see and hear the source directly to know whats true anymore.

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Originally Posted by slaveplanet

problem is that there is a level above the obvious left/right view that is not seen as ideology or indoctrination or drill etc. but as natural or normal that does not have to be questioned. automatized thoughts and beliefs, thoughts that are seen as objective or true but are only seen as true and objective because they have been told to us so many times and we have to see the world how it is taught to us.

the vast majority of people (me included with the difference that i am a bit further in some thoughts and a bit more open-minded to explore in a certain direction) who believe they are critical or have a different opinion on subjects or think they have found the truth do not know that precisely the "new" thought they have or maybe have found on the internet is already an indoctrinated view.

a good example is the idea of work or labour as a natural and completely normal condition of human existence, even used to define people as "good" or "worthy" etc. even going so far as to destroy ones own body and mind to fulfill the requirement of "culture" "state", "nation", "corporation", "nature", "self-fulfillment", "progress" etc.
work was once seen as something undesirable, over the course of centuries it has become so normal that people now can't believe that life has any other meaning than to work or to achieve or to produce etc.

that is pure indoctrination, ideology, dressage, training, drill etc. at work in it's perfect form, another nice example would be the notion that life is a struggle and a competition or even war, another one is that everything is scarce, another one is that money is normal and belongs to human societies naturally, another one is that humans have the right and even the duty to subdue nature or the earth and produce etc.

so what i want to say is that the majority of the now planetary population are so indoctrinated and automated and robotic that they can not see the constructs they have been told and are telling themselves.
the masters themselves believe their own lies they cant see the constructs anymore either.
in certain schools of psychology this is well known or for example adorno, fromm marcuse etc. analysed this in depth in a certain direction with very interesting conclusions.
a psychologist once said to me that we are governed by an anti-social sadistical over ego... there certainly is some kind of truth in that.

Mostly I am self taught......I left a UK state school at 15, then traveled the world through 53 countries (so far), living and working in many of them...and had real life experiences that have formed my views, as I studied the world from many different angles.

I don't consider my self part of any 'establishment' or 'culture' or 'corporation' or any particular political persuasion.

What I am is a free thinking man.

[coldcanna]

Originally Posted by slaveplanet

problem is that there is a level above the obvious left/right view that is not seen as ideology or indoctrination or drill etc. but as natural or normal that does not have to be questioned. automatized thoughts and beliefs, thoughts that are seen as objective or true but are only seen as true and objective because they have been told to us so many times and we have to see the world how it is taught to us.

the vast majority of people (me included with the difference that i am a bit further in some thoughts and a bit more open-minded to explore in a certain direction) who believe they are critical or have a different opinion on subjects or think they have found the truth do not know that precisely the "new" thought they have or maybe have found on the internet is already an indoctrinated view.

a good example is the idea of work or labour as a natural and completely normal condition of human existence, even used to define people as "good" or "worthy" etc. even going so far as to destroy ones own body and mind to fulfill the requirement of "culture" "state", "nation", "corporation", "nature", "self-fulfillment", "progress" etc.
work was once seen as something undesirable, over the course of centuries it has become so normal that people now can't believe that life has any other meaning than to work or to achieve or to produce etc.

that is pure indoctrination, ideology, dressage, training, drill etc. at work in it's perfect form, another nice example would be the notion that life is a struggle and a competition or even war, another one is that everything is scarce, another one is that money is normal and belongs to human societies naturally, another one is that humans have the right and even the duty to subdue nature or the earth and produce etc.

so what i want to say is that the majority of the now planetary population are so indoctrinated and automated and robotic that they can not see the constructs they have been told and are telling themselves.
the masters themselves believe their own lies they cant see the constructs anymore either.
in certain schools of psychology this is well known or for example adorno, fromm marcuse etc. analysed this in depth in a certain direction with very interesting conclusions.
a psychologist once said to me that we are governed by an anti-social sadistical over ego... there certainly is some kind of truth in that.

I think "work" started when humans chose to settle out of hunter gathering. If you want to live in a functioning town of people, somebody has to be a farmer, somebody has to be a plumber, somebody has to enforce laws. The alternative to that would be living off the land I suppose like they did in the early days, but in 1800 the life expectancy was 38 years and now it's 78... somebody has to work all those hours to develop new medicine and procedures.

[coldcanna]

Originally Posted by Cannavore

but socialism empowers the people lol.


no gods no masters

Please elaborate

[slaveplanet]

Originally Posted by coldcanna

I think "work" started when humans chose to settle out of hunter gathering. If you want to live in a functioning town of people, somebody has to be a farmer, somebody has to be a plumber, somebody has to enforce laws. The alternative to that would be living off the land I suppose like they did in the early days, but in 1800 the life expectancy was 38 years and now it's 78... somebody has to work all those hours to develop new medicine and procedures.

this is a very good example how the automated mind works, the automated response...

i can't change "your" view in a few sentences over the internet especially not if what i say does not resonate with "your" thoughts and wihtout authority having the power to override "your" thoughts.

i could counter everything you said in your post but it would take too long and would be useless as is suspect.

but if you want to you can debunk all those "arguments" you use yourself a start would be to read the books i recommended in this thread, walk through life with an open mind and watch your own thoughts and responses.... yeah as if you would do that, just because i said it... yeah right

[coldcanna]

No please elaborate- how would you provide for your basic needs of food, water, shelter, medicine?

I'm not shutting you down, if there is an easier way to attain these things I would be the first person to join you

[slaveplanet]

Originally Posted by Gypsy Nirvana

...and had real life experiences that have formed my views, as I studied the world from many different angles.

I don't consider my self part of any 'establishment' or 'culture' or 'corporation' or any particular political persuasion.

What I am is a free thinking man.

interesting...

but you were raised in the u.k. and had a upbringing and had experiences before the age of 15 that have formed your personality in various ways, just like everybody else in this (deformed) world.

and the world you have seen is already the perverted construct that has arisen out of madness , underneath it is the truth.

beneath the pavement... the beach