[BlackestofOps]

We mixed 6 1 gram sample batches of 950mg high quality distillate and 50mg of various terpene mixes from True Terps, and one sample made at the same ratio with our own terpenes. They mixed easily with a little heat and stirring, and we filled them into cartridges and syringes. Today when I came in to the lab, all the samples had clouded up rather severely. The one test batch that was made with our own co2 extracted terpenes did not cloud, only the True Terps.

Anyone have any insight to the cause or resolution of this cloudiness?

[Thomas@LRL]

I would suspect water. Have formulated several liters worth of distillate with True Terpenes strain profiles with zero separation or cloudiness issues. What temp did you mix at and how long did you allow it to homogenize? I also don't allow my formula to sit, I formulate per batch and package immediately after homogenization.

[BlackestofOps]

I suspected water as well, but humidity is rather low here, and the batches were open to atmosphere for less than 2 hours. Also, why would my extracted terpenes not cloud up, but the true terpene blends did?

[Thomas@LRL]

Originally Posted by BlackestofOps

I suspected water as well, but humidity is rather low here, and the batches were open to atmosphere for less than 2 hours. Also, why would my extracted terpenes not cloud up, but the true terpene blends did?

I couldn't begin to speculate without knowing the constituent components of both formula, I'm wondering if it's homogenization? You would have homogenized both batches the same way though... Were they all from the sample kits or from larger bottles?

[BlackestofOps]

Sample kits for the True Terps. My terpenes are co2 extracted and winterized, so they are not "pure", but very potent in terpene content. I am awaiting test results, but a 5% addition to very clean distillate is on the strong side, for some idea/reference.

I appreciate your speculation, regardless.

[frazierk]

Have you contacted True Terpenes? I have spoken with Ben many times and he has always provided great customer service.

The only thing I can think of is water (or possibly other contaminants) in the samples that you received or they were not mixed correctly.

[Thomas@LRL]

I would suspect water, I had some issues last november when I was trying to mix very small volume. Lately I mix 100mL at a time as it's a manageable batch size for one person formulating, filling and putting caps on in about 45 minutes beginning to end (200 cartridges).

[mobin]

Originally Posted by BlackestofOps

Sample kits for the True Terps. My terpenes are co2 extracted and winterized, so they are not "pure", but very potent in terpene content. I am awaiting test results, but a 5% addition to very clean distillate is on the strong side, for some idea/reference.

I appreciate your speculation, regardless.

do your co2 terpenes come out with a bit of color to them?

[BlackestofOps]

Yes, my terpenes are amber in color. Still light (for a winterized sub-critical extract), but definitely more color than the true terps.

Originally Posted by Thomas@LRL

I would suspect water, I had some issues last november when I was trying to mix very small volume. Lately I mix 100mL at a time as it's a manageable batch size for one person formulating, filling and putting caps on in about 45 minutes beginning to end (200 cartridges).

Thomas, I am thinking the micro-batch is the reason, as well. A little heat and some vigorous hand stirring may be enough to expose the whole 1 gram batch to plenty of atmospheric moisture. Humidity was only around 20% the day I mixed them, so a bit of a head scratcher. Makes me nervous to try a larger batch.

[Thomas@LRL]

Originally Posted by BlackestofOps

Yes, my terpenes are amber in color. Still light (for a winterized sub-critical extract), but definitely more color than the true terps.



Thomas, I am thinking the micro-batch is the reason, as well. A little heat and some vigorous hand stirring may be enough to expose the whole 1 gram batch to plenty of atmospheric moisture. Humidity was only around 20% the day I mixed them, so a bit of a head scratcher. Makes me nervous to try a larger batch.

If its any consolation I am halfway through 3- 4oz bottles and haven't had any issues with the terpenes themselves, I mix on a hot plate with stir bar but I also intentionally keep my batch size below 250mL in an effort to prevent unnecessary heat exposure/oxidation from long residence time on the hot plate.