[weedtoker]

So it's as the title goes, what are these full blown males that appear on fem lines? Are they genetically male, what will the offspring do, if composed of said genetic material? Any further comments, feel free, just wanna see where this leads...

Cheers

[metsäkana]

never seen on femmed

i had outdoor this year regular auto that was first male and then started budding and making hairs D

and i have SMS nevil haze seedling that made only one leaf and ahve not grown in 2 week.. that is femmed


maybe someone mixed the seeds

femmed beans i have late bananas as ofthen as on regular stuff i think

femmed beans i have more stem bananas poppin some times than regulars i think

full hermies only rare that have full of balls and hairs

this outdoor plant was weard it growed bud from balls d

[Natural high]

Originally Posted by weedtoker

So it's as the title goes, what are these full blown males that appear on fem lines? Are they genetically male, what will the offspring do, if composed of said genetic material? Any further comments, feel free, just wanna see where this leads...

Cheers

I'm not sure where you want it to lead, but I can say right now 100% that the crossing of two "true" females, each with two X chromosomes, will never make a true male offspring with an X and a Y chromosome. It's just not possible.

A cross between two females, with at least one with hermaphrodite genes, might create something that makes male flowers, but it's not a male. If you use this so called "male" to breed with, then you will have a classic hermaphrodite seed line.

Cheers


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[Natural high]

Of course the other possibility is a true male from a seed created by stray pollen from an unknown male. Now that might be an interesting plant to breed with because you never know what you might get.

[justanotherbozo]

...yeah, i personally would blame the breeder for being lazy and doing a poor job of selection AND femminizing and i'd not be buying from him again.

...this has happened in my own garden with femmed beans i bought but it has NEVER happened with the beans i femmed myself.

peace, bozo

[weedtoker]

Thank you for putting the time onto this. I've been searchin about this for a while now, my references are scarce as of now, I might have some anedoctal evidence at my hand, also found this on ic, at this forum:

Originally Posted by Charles-scott

We recently grew out 700 female seeds we did not encounter a single hermie we did encounter three full on males .

There's at least a seedline on the market that is kinda openly spoken about, pops out some males inbetween, often sterile, it seems (no personal experience on that one).

So they do happen phisically, in theory they seem "XY" but will they breed consistently for XY or are we just assuming?


Genetically it seems that we still don't know how to distinguish clearly male, female and inter-sex, and I'm not supporting the use of these freely, but shouldn't we as comunity first test whatever we speakin of, before dissin? I think that is what hard science is, Test/Unbiased testing...

Trying to keep the ball rollin too on this conversation, after all i'm too interested in this.


cheers

[Natural high]

Originally Posted by weedtoker

Originally Posted by Charles-scott
We recently grew out 700 female seeds we did not encounter a single hermie we did encounter three full on males .

My thoughts on this is stray pollen. If they are growing out 700 seeds then they obviously have a significant breeding facility going on and there is bound to be stray pollen in the air and on their person.

Cheers

[Guy Brush]

I think there is no question, this is due to contamination. Everything else is just wishful thinking or disinfo.

[psyphish]

I had a connoiseur genetics grandaddy white feminized seed that turned out to be completely male.

[Ibechillin]

"A quick word on "backward" hermaphrodites ? declared males that eventually sport female flowers ? as opposed to the usual female-to-male hermaphrodites. These are semi-rare occurrences, usually sterile but sometimes viable, that I have found at times to be valuable in their genetic contributions. Some of the most resinous and desirable males I have encountered exhibited this trait. This trait almost seems to guarantee against unwanted hermaphroditism in subsequent generations as it also increases the female to male ratio in its progeny.

These are the Male's used through out the life of the origional haze and the mystery of it.

It explains about bad and good haze I belive..

- dj short

If it doesnt start making pistils its probably from stray regular pollen or an accidental seed mixup.