[MJPassion]

Originally Posted by Crazy Chester

This type of bad behavior is just what California voters need to see - extra pothead votes and California will be its own country in 2020...

It's obvious some just don't know that once a territory has become a State there is no breaking away from the Union.
It's a Constitutional impossibility.

Let the Feds do what they want.
There is way more of we than thee.

[Crazy Chester]

Originally Posted by MJPassion

It's obvious some just don't know that once a territory has become a State there is no breaking away from the Union.
It's a Constitutional impossibility.

Let the Feds do what they want.
There is way more of we than thee.

And then for some, it is equally obvious that, that which has been joined together may be broken apart.

At least it was obvious to the previously quoted Thomas Jefferson - that's how the "Union" came to be in the first place - the states broke apart from the British Empire.

It's good Jefferson didn't listen to those who thought it obvious it was impossible for the American states to break away from the British.

As for the constitution, California has one too.

It will be greatly changed in 2019.

It's just good sense for Californians - enough of paying 40% of the United States tax base while the feds disrespect California law and its citizens.

[resin_lung]

But what about everything that 40% has paid for over the years? Just give it up? What about social security? Health insurance? A military?

Just curios what your thoughts on that is Chester?

[Betterhaff]

Someone needs to ask the AG...over and over?

[moose eater]

I don't think leaving the Union is a real option, despite a number of states having the authority implied or explicitly stated in their state constitutions &/or statehood pacts.

I think also, however, that in some ways, the prospect might be attractive; having taxes go toward healthcare, infrastructure, education, etc., instead of Raytheon missiles, $800 dollar toilet seats on troop transport aircraft, $600 DoD claw hammers, etc., etc..

And, in favor of such ideas, sometimes, like with a bad marriage, walking away from the investments is the better path.

But from long ago, before the Civil War even, the feds have seen the Union as their part-ownership in the resources and strategic placement of the many states. We are their cash contributors and piggy-bank of assets; their source of precious metals, oil, timber, and more.

So even if departing the Union were a real possibility, Uncle Schmuck isn't going to let that idea gain any altitude.

I think the better path is to either 1.) Convince Congress (and the voters) that it's in their best interests to get over themselves where the drug war is concerned, and use a different tactic,

or,

2.) engage in sneak lobotomies or brain transplants for the likes of Sessions and Trump.

I mean, if someone with a middle name like 'Beauregard' announced one day that someone had snuck into their home at night and performed an involuntary lobotomy, who'd believe them? ;^>)

[Crazy Chester]

Originally Posted by resin_lung

But what about everything that 40% has paid for over the years? Just give it up? What about social security? Health insurance? A military?

Just curios what your thoughts on that is Chester?

Clearly, it would be a huge change.

But, it's definitely doable. Since the feds would no longer have to pay out on social security benefits for the citizens of California, they would have to pay the cash value of the same to those Californians who participated in the social security system if they want out of it, or pay it to California for their benefit.

It wouldn't be that hard to just let Californians who want to keep paying into social security or keep receiving benefits to continue to do so. Every year whoever wants to continue in the social security system would just have to send the feds a check equivalent to what they pay in social security taxes now - or collect their check - as the case may be.

California already has a better health care system for its citizens than the feds give their citizens AND it doesn't penalize Californians for not participating in it - unlike Obama's tax grab to make the butt-hurt big insurance companies stop whining because they were jealous of all the bailouts Obama gave to his banking buddies (that he conned Americans into believing was actually inexpensive health care for everyone).

As for the military, I really don't think California needs much of a military. It just needs the militia it already has to take care of disturbances on the land and a somewhat bigger naval force to patrol up to 100 miles out to sea for self-defense purposes. I mean, who is going to invade California? Mexico? Maybe Oregon? Lol.

Also, California already hosts bases that contain a large percentage of the US military (I'm not sure - but it may be more than any other state). I don't see any reason that has to change if California became its own country. Even if the military left California, the US armed forces would be back like white on rice if California was truly threatened (due to the shared border), just like they would do if Mexico or Canada was invaded by hostiles.

I know that's an oversimplification, but I really think California has A LOT to gain from leaving the US government and, when Californian's think more of what can be gained, rather than lost, they will fairly easily rise to the challenge and fully address the concerns you've raised.

[resin_lung]

Ask a question....get an answer. Like you said, oversimplification but more than I've ever really thought about in regards to breaking up.

I just know that shits hard to do. Once heard a song about it! Wanna hear it? Hear it go.....

https://youtu.be/tbad22CKlB4

Hahaha

Seriously though... thanks for the reply Chester. Can't say ya swayed me yet brother but I think your third on the board. I mean I got my thoughts and then I got what I take in from everywhere else. MjPassion is top of the list. Moose snuck in into the second spot and BAM! Theres Chesters 2 cents in third spot! You could have been 2nd but.....ya left me hangin for too long bro. 3rd gonna have to do. Gonna try in get pops thought on this before too many more strangers fill the list!haha

I've always wondered like why the Dakotas got a divorce? Or the Carolinas? As usual....I don't doubt the lack marital bliss was financial?(raisin Arizona))lol Was it Hatfield n McCoy type stuff?

@moose- So far I'm thinking labotomy is the easiest to pull off. Again... oversimplification, but.....not as much!lol

I got some reading to do about it but I may have to just let everybody's ideas sit in a jar with mine for a while. Let my skull adjust! BECAUSE MY BRAIN!!!!!

[moose eater]

Entertaining with a point, as usual, resin.

I learned about ten or fifteen years ago, reading family materials re. my early Indiana relatives, circa 1700s, that Michigan and Indiana had some skirmishes over state boundary lines.

Things we never learned in most public school U.S. history classes when we were being pumped full of things that would hopefully highlight that ever elusive national solidarity. ;^>)

Re. the surprise, clandestine, sneak-attack lobotomies. I think the end result might be awesome (probably lead to more fun listening to the sock-puppets during their public speaking engagements; fewer words, more sincerity), but then again, lacking in emotional experience, or -real- empathy, i.e. feeling others experiences, has been a short suit for them already, so maybe I need to re-think that whole strategy.

Originally Posted by resin_lung

Ask a question....get an answer. Like you said, oversimplification but more than I've ever really thought about in regards to breaking up.

I just know that shits hard to do. Once heard a song about it! Wanna hear it? Hear it go.....

https://youtu.be/tbad22CKlB4

Hahaha

Seriously though... thanks for the reply Chester. Can't say ya swayed me yet brother but I think your third on the board. I mean I got my thoughts and then I got what I take in from everywhere else. MjPassion is top of the list. Moose snuck in into the second spot and BAM! Theres Chesters 2 cents in third spot! You could have been 2nd but.....ya left me hangin for too long bro. 3rd gonna have to do. Gonna try in get pops thought on this before too many more strangers fill the list!haha

I've always wondered like why the Dakotas got a divorce? Or the Carolinas? As usual....I don't doubt the lack marital bliss was financial?(raisin Arizona))lol Was it Hatfield n McCoy type stuff?

@moose- So far I'm thinking labotomy is the easiest to pull off. Again... oversimplification, but.....not as much!lol

I got some reading to do about it but I may have to just let everybody's ideas sit in a jar with mine for a while. Let my skull adjust! BECAUSE MY BRAIN!!!!!

[St. Phatty]

Maybe we could slow down all this anti-cannabis legislation

by naming all our cats and dogs "Cannabis"
and declaring them "companion animals".

Then the Fascists in the Senate etc. will have to take their paperwork back to the North Pole, and re-write it to specify "This legislation does not apply to Cats and Dogs named Cannabis".

Given how slow they move ... this could buy us another year.

Or it could just be another example of stoned thinking

[brown_thumb]

Originally Posted by AgentPothead

The feds can have my marijuana when they pull it from my cold, dead hands.

They can do that.