It looks like the cops are getting in on from profits from cannabis sales in Maryland - Cannabis Laws & Cannabis Legislation - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

shaggyballs · 09-06-2017, 03:18 AM

ForwardGro

Led by Gary Mangum, ForwardGro became Maryland’s first marijuana cultivator in May. Mangum made a fortune growing ornamental flowers; he is CEO of Bell Nursery, a supplier to Home Depot garden centers. Mangum is a well-known Republican donor and friend of Gov. Larry Hogan, who appointed him to the executive board of the Maryland Stadium Authority. ForwardGro’s state-of-the art greenhouse in Lothian is expected to have marijuana ready during the fall, producing the first crop in the state. Mangum’s team includes his former business partner at Bell, Mike McCarthy; former Anne Arundel County sheriff George Johnson, a onetime Democratic candidate for county executive; cannabis patient advocate Gail Rand; and anesthesiologist Debra Kimless. The executives of Shore Natural Rx

Shore Natural, run by Erick Bruder and Jacques Remmell of Berlin, is the only grower on Maryland's lower Eastern Shore. Bruder, the president, a former restaurateur who started the Hungry Surfer stand in Ocean City, runs the general contracting business Stag Contracting. Remmell is a former executive with Eastern Shore Gas Company who studied agriculture in college. The team also includes retired Baltimore County police officer Brian Cromer, who started his career in the Secret Service. Shore Natural was the other lower-ranked firm that regulators bumped into the winners’ pool in order to achieve geographic diversity.

Temescal Wellness

The Maryland branch of Temescal has a warehouse growing operation in Baltimore. Its principals have ties to marijuana companies in New Hampshire, Illinois, Rhode Island, New York and California. President Ted Rebholz worked in information technology before getting involved in a New Hampshire grow operation. Investors include several Baltimore attorneys, including Paul Bekman, Eric Radz and Craig Schulman. Michael Rego, a former narcotics officer in Newport, R.I., is in charge of security.

Holistic Industries

Holistic’s CEO Josh Genderson is the fourth generation of his family to own and operate the expansive liquor store Schneider’s of Capitol Hill in Washington. He opened his first marijuana business in the district, and his new Prince George’s County marijuana venture brings on board several well-connected Maryland residents, among them former Prince George’s County Police Det. Vince Canales, president of the state’s Fraternal Order of Police; Nelson Sabatini, who was state health secretary under two governors and now chairs the panel that sets rates at Maryland hospitals; Richard Polansky, son-in-law of top-paid Annapolis lobbyist Gerard “Gerry” Evans, who helped advocate for the company in the legislature; Henry P. Miller, a distant cousin of Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller; and Richard Cohen, a major developer who founded the Willco real estate company. Both Senate President Miller and Mel Franklin, then chairman of the Prince George’s County Council, wrote letters to state regulators praising Cohen and recommending Holistic’s application be approved. As a company, Holistic donated more to Maryland lawmakers than any other new marijuana growing firm, handing out $43,500 in 2016 to 11 public officials, including $5,000 each to Miller and House Speaker Michael E. Busch, both Democrats, and $6,000 to Hogan, a Republican. In addition to contributions made by the company, its executives and the firms they own have donated more than $103,500 to Maryland politicians in recent years. Holistic was one of the two lower-ranked firms that the commission boosted into the top 15 in order to achieve geographic diversity among winners. The firm has been cleared to start growing marijuana in a custom-designed warehouse in Capitol Heights.

Curio Wellness

Healthcare entrepreneur and Democratic donor Michael Bronfein leads the Curio group, which raised $30 million and built a futuristic warehouse in a Lutherville-Timonium office park. One of Curio’s major investors is Bronfein’s fellow Baltimore County businessman David D. Smith, executive chairman of the television station empire Sinclair Broadcast Group. While Bronfein has been engaged in liberal politics nationally for decades, Smith is a well-known conservative. Curio, and its plan to develop and license a branded line of specialty “wellness” cannabis products, was the idea of Bronfein’s daughter, Wendy Bronfein, a former New York marketing executive. Other Bronfein family members also work at Curio, as does Douglas DeLeaver, a former MTA official and retired police officer whose daughter is Hogan’s press secretary and whose son-in-law is a Hogan Cabinet secretary. DeLeaver used to work with Jameson, the cannabis commission’s executive director, when they were both state troopers. Executives with the firm have made $116,000 in political donations in Maryland, about half of it from Bronfein. Bronfein, who launched several health care service businesses and previously sat on the board at Johns Hopkins’ Bloomberg School of Public Health, is a friend of former President Bill Clinton and an informal adviser and fundraiser for national Democratic candidates, and was campaign finance chair for 2002 Democratic Maryland gubernatorial nominee Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. Among the Wikileaks release last summer of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee were Bronfein’s notes of advice to Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta. Bronfein is also part of the team behind the Baltimore’s Horseshoe Casino.

Freestate Wellness Cary Millstein, president of this Howard County growing operation, spent 30 years in the construction business and owns a business that exports pecans to Asia. His co-owner is neuroscientist Rachel Fischell, granddaughter to prolific inventor Robert Fischell, the namesake of University of Maryland’s Fischell Department of Bioengineering and the holder of more than 200 patents. Two other Fischell family members are involved in the business, which Millstein says will work closely with Johns Hopkins researchers to evaluate how marijuana use reduces opioid overdoses. Also involved is Darren Granger with the Howard County sheriff’s office.

Green Leaf Medical

Philip Goldberg leads Green Leaf and its Frederick County growing operation. Goldberg, who owns a marketing company in Montgomery County, was president of the Maryland Cannabis Industry Association before the industry existed, and was a frequent voice in Annapolis pushing to get the program off the ground. His brother Kevin Goldberg is the former head of the state’s association of trial lawyers and a member of the team. Other members include Martha Bergmark, founder of the legal aid group Voices for Civil Justice; several personal injury lawyers — James Zois, Laura Zois, Henry Greenberg and Lawrence Greenberg — Frank Boston, a lawyer and lobbyist for the law enforcement community; and retired Frederick police Lt. Thomas Chase.

HMS Health

The father-son team of Shakil and Haris Siddiqui own the Frederick County marijuana operation the family built on a 150-acre former tree nursery. Shakil Siddiqui founded the engineering and design firm Haris Design and Construction, which helped renovate the D.C Metro system. Several family members are involved in the marijuana growing business, including Islam Siddiqui, a former U.S. Department of Agriculture official in the Clinton administration. Their security director is former Frederick County Sheriff James W. Hagy.

Kind Therapeutics, USA

CEO Susan Zimmerman is an Annapolis physician and entrepreneur who runs a pain clinic with husband and business partner Dr. William Tham. Kind Therapeutics plans to grow marijuana in a former furniture warehouse in Hagerstown. The firm failed to meet an Aug. 15 deadline to be operational, but secured an extension from marijuana regulators. The team also includes Richard Howard, a retired Baltimore County Police captain who ran that jurisdiction’s Safe Schools Program, which coordinated anti-drug programs.

Maryland Compassionate Care

After winning their license, this Chicago-based firm started doing business as Grassroots of Maryland and renovated a warehouse in the 6,700-person Carroll County town of Taneytown.

The CEO is Steve Weisman, a Chicago-area lawyer and CEO of Windy City Cannabis Club, which operates four dispensaries in Illinois. Grassroots’ Co-CEO is Mitchell Kahn, who runs a separate set of three dispensaries in Illinois. Another investor, head cultivator John Fritzel, holds interest in more than 40 marijuana licenses in Colorado, where marijuana is legal for recreational use.

SunMed Growers

Veteran greenhouse operator Jake Van Wingerden is the sole owner and investor of SunMed Growers, which built from scratch a “Dutch-style” marijuana greenhouse on a 67-acre parcel in Cecil County. Van Wingerden is the third generation in his family to run greenhouses; his Tidal Creek growers supplies flowers to several companies in the region, and his company runs greenhouses for Homestead Gardens in Davidsonville. Van Wingerden, who is also president of the Maryland Wholesale Medical Cannabis Trade Association, gave no political contributions until after he applied to launch a marijuana business in late 2015. Since then, he’s given $7,050 to state and local candidates.

Shore Natural Rx

Shore Natural, run by Erick Bruder and Jacques Remmell of Berlin, is the only grower on Maryland's lower Eastern Shore. Bruder, the president, a former restaurateur who started the Hungry Surfer stand in Ocean City, runs the general contracting business Stag Contracting. Remmell is a former executive with Eastern Shore Gas Company who studied agriculture in college. The team also includes retired Baltimore County police officer Brian Cromer, who started his career in the Secret Service. Shore Natural was the other lower-ranked firm that regulators bumped into the winners’ pool in order to achieve geographic diversity.

Source:
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...901-story.html

hellfire · 09-06-2017, 03:29 AM

Maryland is a good example of how not to do it (and how to make sure the people that arrested others for pot profit from a legal program)...from what I've heard the people working in the medical scene are drug tested for pot and you can't work in the industry with it in your system -_-

Junk · 09-06-2017, 02:05 PM

I didn't have time (or the eye sight) to read the whole thing, but it seems like ex cops and ex feds are running dispensaries in Maryland?

I can think of some cons to that...but I think it would also probably help the dispensary cause. I don't think the DOJ would want to raid dispensaries run by ex DEA/CIA/LEA. Seems like it would split their already declining support.

If I have the premise right, it's interesting to say the least.

Are we going to get to 50 states with medical cannabis and the gov still have it schedule 1? "No medical benefit."??? The stupidity surrounding this plant amazes me.

heatherlonglee · 09-06-2017, 04:48 PM

If you want me to hold more hateful feeling towards Law Enforcement/DA/County Prosecutors; tell me they're all getting into Marijuana profits legally!
NORML needs to get into this and anyone who was involved and profited from incarcerating marijuana offenders can't be allowed to profit growing and or selling it!

trichrider · 09-06-2017, 06:08 PM

EVERY state with medical or recreational weed has stipulated proceeds to LEO.
every one.

heatherlonglee · 09-06-2017, 06:29 PM

Tax dollars is another story, not that offensive to me. Personal profits are what I'm offended by! Examples would be Police Officers, Prison Guards, District Attorneys, County Prosecutor, State Troopers, FBI, CIA, Secret Service etc...

Gry · 09-06-2017, 09:36 PM

Kinda leaves one with the impression that those who stack decks have been putting in some over time.

The poll results are amazing. The article was not short on examples.
I was left feeling sure that I should be smoking cannabis which is about 1/3 stronger than what I have before me.

St. Phatty · 09-08-2017, 02:05 AM

In Calif. some women cops also work doing manicuring.

It's a seasonal job

It's good to have cops who know that pot-heads are not a threat to public safety.

shaggyballs · 09-08-2017, 06:03 AM

yea, I get it. she works in another state putting hard core criminals/cannabis sellers in prison as a day job.
crosses into the legal state to cash in on cannabis sales at night.
Her husband works out of state in the prison for profit system and is going to loose his job if more people are not arrested.
I am not saying these folks are not smart, just unethical.

MJPassion · 09-08-2017, 02:42 PM

Ethics is a system whereby criminal activities can be justified!

Murder, for example, is a criminal act that can be ethically justified when one murders their lovers other lover.

COPS that arrest drug users then go & sell/deliver/distribute drugs are ethically justified.

Ethics has absolutely zero to do with what is Right or Wrong... It is only concerned with what can be justified!

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09-06-2017, 03:18 AM	#1
shaggyballs Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Hold your hand up...right about there! Posts: 1,975	It looks like the cops are getting in on from profits from cannabis sales in Maryland ForwardGro Led by Gary Mangum, ForwardGro became Maryland’s first marijuana cultivator in May. Mangum made a fortune growing ornamental flowers; he is CEO of Bell Nursery, a supplier to Home Depot garden centers. Mangum is a well-known Republican donor and friend of Gov. Larry Hogan, who appointed him to the executive board of the Maryland Stadium Authority. ForwardGro’s state-of-the art greenhouse in Lothian is expected to have marijuana ready during the fall, producing the first crop in the state. Mangum’s team includes his former business partner at Bell, Mike McCarthy; former Anne Arundel County sheriff George Johnson, a onetime Democratic candidate for county executive; cannabis patient advocate Gail Rand; and anesthesiologist Debra Kimless. The executives of Shore Natural Rx Shore Natural, run by Erick Bruder and Jacques Remmell of Berlin, is the only grower on Maryland's lower Eastern Shore. Bruder, the president, a former restaurateur who started the Hungry Surfer stand in Ocean City, runs the general contracting business Stag Contracting. Remmell is a former executive with Eastern Shore Gas Company who studied agriculture in college. The team also includes retired Baltimore County police officer Brian Cromer, who started his career in the Secret Service. Shore Natural was the other lower-ranked firm that regulators bumped into the winners’ pool in order to achieve geographic diversity. Temescal Wellness The Maryland branch of Temescal has a warehouse growing operation in Baltimore. Its principals have ties to marijuana companies in New Hampshire, Illinois, Rhode Island, New York and California. President Ted Rebholz worked in information technology before getting involved in a New Hampshire grow operation. Investors include several Baltimore attorneys, including Paul Bekman, Eric Radz and Craig Schulman. Michael Rego, a former narcotics officer in Newport, R.I., is in charge of security. Holistic Industries Holistic’s CEO Josh Genderson is the fourth generation of his family to own and operate the expansive liquor store Schneider’s of Capitol Hill in Washington. He opened his first marijuana business in the district, and his new Prince George’s County marijuana venture brings on board several well-connected Maryland residents, among them former Prince George’s County Police Det. Vince Canales, president of the state’s Fraternal Order of Police; Nelson Sabatini, who was state health secretary under two governors and now chairs the panel that sets rates at Maryland hospitals; Richard Polansky, son-in-law of top-paid Annapolis lobbyist Gerard “Gerry” Evans, who helped advocate for the company in the legislature; Henry P. Miller, a distant cousin of Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller; and Richard Cohen, a major developer who founded the Willco real estate company. Both Senate President Miller and Mel Franklin, then chairman of the Prince George’s County Council, wrote letters to state regulators praising Cohen and recommending Holistic’s application be approved. As a company, Holistic donated more to Maryland lawmakers than any other new marijuana growing firm, handing out $43,500 in 2016 to 11 public officials, including $5,000 each to Miller and House Speaker Michael E. Busch, both Democrats, and $6,000 to Hogan, a Republican. In addition to contributions made by the company, its executives and the firms they own have donated more than $103,500 to Maryland politicians in recent years. Holistic was one of the two lower-ranked firms that the commission boosted into the top 15 in order to achieve geographic diversity among winners. The firm has been cleared to start growing marijuana in a custom-designed warehouse in Capitol Heights. Curio Wellness Healthcare entrepreneur and Democratic donor Michael Bronfein leads the Curio group, which raised $30 million and built a futuristic warehouse in a Lutherville-Timonium office park. One of Curio’s major investors is Bronfein’s fellow Baltimore County businessman David D. Smith, executive chairman of the television station empire Sinclair Broadcast Group. While Bronfein has been engaged in liberal politics nationally for decades, Smith is a well-known conservative. Curio, and its plan to develop and license a branded line of specialty “wellness” cannabis products, was the idea of Bronfein’s daughter, Wendy Bronfein, a former New York marketing executive. Other Bronfein family members also work at Curio, as does Douglas DeLeaver, a former MTA official and retired police officer whose daughter is Hogan’s press secretary and whose son-in-law is a Hogan Cabinet secretary. DeLeaver used to work with Jameson, the cannabis commission’s executive director, when they were both state troopers. Executives with the firm have made $116,000 in political donations in Maryland, about half of it from Bronfein. Bronfein, who launched several health care service businesses and previously sat on the board at Johns Hopkins’ Bloomberg School of Public Health, is a friend of former President Bill Clinton and an informal adviser and fundraiser for national Democratic candidates, and was campaign finance chair for 2002 Democratic Maryland gubernatorial nominee Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. Among the Wikileaks release last summer of hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee were Bronfein’s notes of advice to Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta. Bronfein is also part of the team behind the Baltimore’s Horseshoe Casino. Freestate Wellness Cary Millstein, president of this Howard County growing operation, spent 30 years in the construction business and owns a business that exports pecans to Asia. His co-owner is neuroscientist Rachel Fischell, granddaughter to prolific inventor Robert Fischell, the namesake of University of Maryland’s Fischell Department of Bioengineering and the holder of more than 200 patents. Two other Fischell family members are involved in the business, which Millstein says will work closely with Johns Hopkins researchers to evaluate how marijuana use reduces opioid overdoses. Also involved is Darren Granger with the Howard County sheriff’s office. Green Leaf Medical Philip Goldberg leads Green Leaf and its Frederick County growing operation. Goldberg, who owns a marketing company in Montgomery County, was president of the Maryland Cannabis Industry Association before the industry existed, and was a frequent voice in Annapolis pushing to get the program off the ground. His brother Kevin Goldberg is the former head of the state’s association of trial lawyers and a member of the team. Other members include Martha Bergmark, founder of the legal aid group Voices for Civil Justice; several personal injury lawyers — James Zois, Laura Zois, Henry Greenberg and Lawrence Greenberg — Frank Boston, a lawyer and lobbyist for the law enforcement community; and retired Frederick police Lt. Thomas Chase. HMS Health The father-son team of Shakil and Haris Siddiqui own the Frederick County marijuana operation the family built on a 150-acre former tree nursery. Shakil Siddiqui founded the engineering and design firm Haris Design and Construction, which helped renovate the D.C Metro system. Several family members are involved in the marijuana growing business, including Islam Siddiqui, a former U.S. Department of Agriculture official in the Clinton administration. Their security director is former Frederick County Sheriff James W. Hagy. Kind Therapeutics, USA CEO Susan Zimmerman is an Annapolis physician and entrepreneur who runs a pain clinic with husband and business partner Dr. William Tham. Kind Therapeutics plans to grow marijuana in a former furniture warehouse in Hagerstown. The firm failed to meet an Aug. 15 deadline to be operational, but secured an extension from marijuana regulators. The team also includes Richard Howard, a retired Baltimore County Police captain who ran that jurisdiction’s Safe Schools Program, which coordinated anti-drug programs. Maryland Compassionate Care After winning their license, this Chicago-based firm started doing business as Grassroots of Maryland and renovated a warehouse in the 6,700-person Carroll County town of Taneytown. The CEO is Steve Weisman, a Chicago-area lawyer and CEO of Windy City Cannabis Club, which operates four dispensaries in Illinois. Grassroots’ Co-CEO is Mitchell Kahn, who runs a separate set of three dispensaries in Illinois. Another investor, head cultivator John Fritzel, holds interest in more than 40 marijuana licenses in Colorado, where marijuana is legal for recreational use. SunMed Growers Veteran greenhouse operator Jake Van Wingerden is the sole owner and investor of SunMed Growers, which built from scratch a “Dutch-style” marijuana greenhouse on a 67-acre parcel in Cecil County. Van Wingerden is the third generation in his family to run greenhouses; his Tidal Creek growers supplies flowers to several companies in the region, and his company runs greenhouses for Homestead Gardens in Davidsonville. Van Wingerden, who is also president of the Maryland Wholesale Medical Cannabis Trade Association, gave no political contributions until after he applied to launch a marijuana business in late 2015. Since then, he’s given $7,050 to state and local candidates. Shore Natural Rx Shore Natural, run by Erick Bruder and Jacques Remmell of Berlin, is the only grower on Maryland's lower Eastern Shore. Bruder, the president, a former restaurateur who started the Hungry Surfer stand in Ocean City, runs the general contracting business Stag Contracting. Remmell is a former executive with Eastern Shore Gas Company who studied agriculture in college. The team also includes retired Baltimore County police officer Brian Cromer, who started his career in the Secret Service. Shore Natural was the other lower-ranked firm that regulators bumped into the winners’ pool in order to achieve geographic diversity. Source: https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...901-story.html __________________ Vote no to legalize cannabis or else! HydroBuddy Nute calculator Ins and outs of Pythium OVERGROW FAQ SEEDPAC Politically Active Cannabis Fighting for Michigan's Medical Marihuana Patients and Caregivers rights I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. 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hellfire Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 186	Maryland is a good example of how not to do it (and how to make sure the people that arrested others for pot profit from a legal program)...from what I've heard the people working in the medical scene are drug tested for pot and you can't work in the industry with it in your system -_-
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Junk Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 338	I didn't have time (or the eye sight) to read the whole thing, but it seems like ex cops and ex feds are running dispensaries in Maryland? I can think of some cons to that...but I think it would also probably help the dispensary cause. I don't think the DOJ would want to raid dispensaries run by ex DEA/CIA/LEA. Seems like it would split their already declining support. If I have the premise right, it's interesting to say the least. Are we going to get to 50 states with medical cannabis and the gov still have it schedule 1? "No medical benefit."??? The stupidity surrounding this plant amazes me.
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heatherlonglee Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 162	If you want me to hold more hateful feeling towards Law Enforcement/DA/County Prosecutors; tell me they're all getting into Marijuana profits legally! NORML needs to get into this and anyone who was involved and profited from incarcerating marijuana offenders can't be allowed to profit growing and or selling it! __________________ If I take time to answer a question regarding your post, OP; I demand a rating + or - your choice. I take time to answer with spell check and proof reading. If my post was helpful or not, say so please. Female gardener. Currently growing Weed. I really miss the negative rating! Yeah I would bust a fool up back in the day; negative rep!
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trichrider THEORETICAL Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: between CB1 and the singularity. Posts: 7,046	EVERY state with medical or recreational weed has stipulated proceeds to LEO. every one. __________________ "I'm not always a dick...but when I am, I drink cheap beer".
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heatherlonglee Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 162	Tax dollars is another story, not that offensive to me. Personal profits are what I'm offended by! Examples would be Police Officers, Prison Guards, District Attorneys, County Prosecutor, State Troopers, FBI, CIA, Secret Service etc... __________________ If I take time to answer a question regarding your post, OP; I demand a rating + or - your choice. I take time to answer with spell check and proof reading. If my post was helpful or not, say so please. Female gardener. Currently growing Weed. I really miss the negative rating! Yeah I would bust a fool up back in the day; negative rep!
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Gry More hash tea... Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: land of hummingbirds and turtles Posts: 1,818	Kinda leaves one with the impression that those who stack decks have been putting in some over time. The poll results are amazing. The article was not short on examples. I was left feeling sure that I should be smoking cannabis which is about 1/3 stronger than what I have before me. __________________ That which matters most
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St. Phatty Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 2,376	In Calif. some women cops also work doing manicuring. It's a seasonal job It's good to have cops who know that pot-heads are not a threat to public safety.
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09-08-2017, 06:03 AM	#9
shaggyballs Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Hold your hand up...right about there! Posts: 1,975	yea, I get it. she works in another state putting hard core criminals/cannabis sellers in prison as a day job. crosses into the legal state to cash in on cannabis sales at night. Her husband works out of state in the prison for profit system and is going to loose his job if more people are not arrested. I am not saying these folks are not smart, just unethical. __________________ Vote no to legalize cannabis or else! HydroBuddy Nute calculator Ins and outs of Pythium OVERGROW FAQ SEEDPAC Politically Active Cannabis Fighting for Michigan's Medical Marihuana Patients and Caregivers rights I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
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MJPassion Observer Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: uni-verse Posts: 5,584	Ethics is a system whereby criminal activities can be justified! Murder, for example, is a criminal act that can be ethically justified when one murders their lovers other lover. COPS that arrest drug users then go & sell/deliver/distribute drugs are ethically justified. Ethics has absolutely zero to do with what is Right or Wrong... It is only concerned with what can be justified!
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