[c00k1eFunk]

Hello!
First Post and i hope this is the right Forum, if not please move it to the right one, sry.

Now to my topic: Making some OD Seeds for 51°n lat.
This year was very dry and extremely sunny! Thats the good part, the bad part was guerilla handwatering 30big bushes from juni to end Aug.. The girls look super and are perfectly healthy, only problem is this is my latest flower onset EVER...
I took some InDoor seeds Cookies,OG,... and crossed them with mostly GranolaFunk not the best idea but i hat this plants and no time to start new seeds at that time of the year.(was too busy)
Usually I see some Flowers mid August. this year 2 out of 20 have started flowering mid august, thats too late.

now its getting interesting. i germinated some OD seeds to find some Males to hit my strains (mostly ID strains).
I want to bring the flowering onset from mid/end of august to lets say mid-end July. eg: My cookies start to flower september 1st, so i hit them with early early male and the outcome will start flowering somewhere inbetween and sould end up more potent than OD male, am i right so far?

now, i germinated the seeds 3-4weeks ago with 18-19h lights on...
today i have 2, 5" plants showing sex... its like week 3, and i transplanted from 0.3Liter cups into 0.75cups after week 2...
Organic soil, RO water and once i gave some Kelp tea about a week ago...

What i find strange is the very early sex of the two males(looking almost identical) have a third plant from this pack much smaller and i think this is going to be the fem.

Friends, please help me! I am afraid this is some kind of autoflowering stuff going on there, but i ordered photoperiod seeds!
Breeder HFH:Leb29s (sativa)


Would you say i am doing good at hitting my earlier OD this year whith their pollen?
Would You say i am right believing that my flowering times would become shorter and the effect stronger if i hit my girls with these males?( stronger than Leb29s i mean.
I cant grow 10-12week strains at my lat. and i cant grow late flowering 8-9weeks most of the years. but i could grow pretty much everything if it would start flowering in July!!!
Would be so great to have cookies (selfmade reverse ) and 501stOg and Karma Polar Bear X outdoor in my garden, after smoking Strong weed in the spring and summer, its always a little drawback to start smoking 10+%thc weed in autumn/winter year after year..

many thanks to all of you guys, and i am glad to be back on board once again, love this site

[c00k1eFunk]

another question was, if i cross the male with the female, the outcome will all be mostly the same regular seeds, right? the second generation would start to show og leaning and leb leaning plants, but first seeds are all very simillar right? and if i wanted the really special fast stuff i could store the pollen and hit my fastest outcome girl with the same pollen again to get even faster seeds right?

[crannog]

my experience with HFH stuff is it has autoflowering tendencies. my danish gold and polish demon are just finished but i also have a lebanese from real seed company which is finishing soon. seems like lebanese genetics would be good to speed up flowering...

[c00k1eFunk]

thanks for jumping in cannog bro.
yes i think youre right it might be auto phenos, but 2/3 plants autoflowering is strange, i would expect less auto outcome from photoperiods if this is just a pheno.. but maybe luck

crossing a girl to an autoflower, what would most probably come out?
100% light sensitive semiautos ?
50%regular, 50%auto?
or like 25%auto,25%semi,25%reular,25%l ate flowering?
sry i read about crossing but always to much at once and too late at nigt not sure whats right.
this is called making s1 right? crossing s1 back to male will result in f1? and crossing s1 to s1 is called f2 and outcome will be mixed genetics with many phenotypes right?

I am already using EM, Trichoderma, WaterChrystals, Kelp Teas, Comfrey,nettles, Horsetail Teas and Extracts, neemoil, and lots of organic amendments like guanos, meals and i am having greatest results that i could wish myself. really only major problem is latest flowering ever this year.

please if somebody could help me along with this would be great! thats my bottleneck right now

have made seeds from autoamnesia x Mendo madness and didnt label them this spring, but i got 3 instant-autoflowers (1/4oz pP :( ) this season and 2 early flowers(had total of 6seeds germinated from this, 1 male culled). that would make sense
anways my granola funk mix is too late 20 plants not flowering end of august is NOT funny at 51°n...

i could simply grow autos and early strains, erdpurt, kc33, leb, wild monk, mendocino madness... have smoked and grown all of them...
simple afghani performs much better for me(except MendoMadness wich is great), is stronger and yealds muuuuch more than any of the early strains, 10%mould is still better if you have a 9x9feet plant rather than some 2OZ plants with low thc and no mould for me...

thats why i would love to have early GSC, OG and other Hybrinds with power and character crossed to my LEB29s males.

please help IC mag, i know you can!

is thanx i will post some pictures of my project and report my results.
will be great if it works

[steasy88]

Couldn't you just put a canopy up over ur plants so rain don't hit them or you could of introduced the flowering stage ur self by blacking them out say like begin of July I have no idea on breeding seeds all the best

[Douglas.Curtis]

You want what I'm working with, unfortunately it's not ready. There's a (rare these days) strain called Auto-Affie with "Early Flower" genetics. It's not the correct name for them, they're genetics which flower with only 4hrs of dark and veg with 2hrs of dark.

There are a few other strains which might have these same genetics. I know Brickland and Guerrilla Gold #2 and #3 did.

I isolate the specific plants by vegging under 22/2 for 4 months. Anything which autoflowers is tossed. Anything which doesn't flower under 20/4 is tossed. The rest I breed with.

I've been told Royal Dane and Early Dane may have these genes, no solid evidence though. :(

Having genetics like this would allow you to keep mums and take clones, assist in finding keeper plants for further breeding. As long as you get 4hrs of dark a night, you can put them out any time of year they'll finish without freezing. Quality will definitely be different at different times of the year, extraction to edibles makes this a non-issue.

Be Awesome!

[c00k1eFunk]

There we go, as i said, you people are awesome!
some really new ideas for me, thank you!

@steasy88: Thanks for your help, unfortunatly i am growing guerilla style in one of the tightest polulated places of europe. Small planes and helicopters are flying everywhere, over my spots too. thats why its not possible to spread a roof over my plants, another thing are hunters... why the f*** is somebody hunting is central europe? let the dozent hogs and deers do their thang meen.. bored middleclass snobs should go smoke some weed instead ...
im have to ride bike for half an hour nonstop fullspeed to reach my spots, thats another thing why it would be very very hard to cover/uncover all my plants, because i have spots at different places.. just not working for me but thanks.

@Douglas.Curtis: Man you hit the nail on its head! This is close to what i was thinking of, finding or creating seeds that are VERY Light Sensitive but not autoflower and still would have more photoperiod plant qualities like longer veg times, bigger plants, rich thc content and good yield.
Your priority is to get even more light sensitive plants then i do.
at my latitude MAY15th has a day lenght of 15.5 hours of light increasing.
this would be my minimal flower initiation time(shortest lightday before plant should go into flower.)
on 25th of July we hit the 15.5h mark again and this would be just the ideal flowering onset!
If my plants are ready on October 1st i will be just fine in most cases!
Do you think i can apply your selection technique to my approach and toss plants that are flowering earlier or later than @ 15h light 9h dark period?

[gorilla ganja]

s1 means selifed- A female that is reversed and breed to it self.
F1 is first generation of a hybrid cross. f2 second generation and so on.

As far as breeding an auto to a photoperiod strain. The f1 generation should not show any autos, but be a faster version of the photo strain used, usually a week or 2 faster.
F2 generation will show about 25% auto
F3 generation should be 80-90% auto or more
f4 generation should be 100% auto

If you want your plants to flower mid July. They will have to trigger at a little over 16 hrs of light. Few strains around that will do that but not many.

Best of luck in your quest

Peace GG

[c00k1eFunk]

and another thing can somebody tell me if i was right with my crossing theories? like what if i hit a regular cookie with autoflowering male? semiauto, auto or random outcome or only way to know is to try??

unfortunatly i have very little space for large seed throws, i try to stay under 20 small plants at the time.. thats why i would like to know what im doing before i do too much

[c00k1eFunk]

booom gorilla thank you bro!!

do you have any strain names for me besides the mentioned royal dane?