[DocTim420]

Hmmm, I am exactly 98.5 miles from the Mexico border...no forfeiture of any 4th Amendment rights in Orange County.

[Water-]

https://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/...%E2%80%9D.html

"The Patriot Act was planned before 9/11. Indeed, former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig:
After 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.

The Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice Department official how did they write such a large statute so quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out."

[moose eater]

We worked quite a lot in opposition to the USA PA, achieving the 22nd resolution in the Nation questioning its legitimacy, and the act itself (400+ pages in its final draft, and read by nearly no one who voted on it) was a pasting together of nearly every wish list authority the DoJ and other agencies had wanted for years, but had lacked opportunity to succeed at procuring.

Fear goes a long way toward helping folks to forfeit 'unalienable Rights.'

Originally Posted by Water-

https://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011...%E2%80%9D.html

"The Patriot Act was planned before 9/11. Indeed, former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig:
After 9/11 the government drew up the Patriot Act within 20 days and it was passed.

The Patriot Act is huge and I remember someone asking a Justice Department official how did they write such a large statute so quickly, and of course the answer was that it has been sitting in the drawers of the Justice Department for the last 20 years waiting for the event where they would pull it out."

[moose eater]

Extra-legal search authorities within specific distances of the many U.S. borders are a reality.

You can find reports on-line from credible sources re. 'inland check-points' set up on highways and back-roads in Arizona, New Mexico and California, (to name a few) based on these 'evolved authorities.'

No BSing.

Originally Posted by DocTim420

Hmmm, I am exactly 98.5 miles from the Mexico border...no forfeiture of any 4th Amendment rights in Orange County.

[FunkBomb]

Another fine example of the tragic downfall of a once great republic.

-Funk

[DocTim420]

Originally Posted by moose eater

Extra-legal search authorities within specific distances of the many U.S. borders are a reality.

You can find reports on-line from credible sources re. 'inland check-points' set up on highways and back-roads in Arizona, New Mexico and California, (to name a few) based on these 'evolved authorities.'

No BSing.

Just so you know, this is my backyard and if you are referring to the infamous San Clemente check on Interstate 5...that operation has been going on for at least 30 years (long before the passage of the Patriot Act). San Clemente Checkpoint is a "checkpoint", not a "searchpoint" (requiring a thing called "probable cause" before LEO can search your person and/or vehicle).

Given the option of reading reports online (authored by someone with an agenda who lives far away) or observing things with my eyes in my backyard....I choose the latter.

[St. Phatty]

If you're 18 or over, and selling Girl Scout cookies,

I might allow surveillance without a warrant.

[moose eater]

As stated, I was referring to road-blocks across the entire SW, inland from the borders within distance X, on back roads out of small towns all along that border. But the law(s) enabling the road blocks are far from specific to the SW; they apply to any U.S. border. And searches are occurring at these check-points, even if under consent by coercion. A phenomenon that has seen searches and related arrests/convictions over-turned in our State courts in Alaska, but not necessarily elsewhere.

Not related to distance to borders, but my own oldest child has been present during an illegal search of a vehicle, followed by the customary perjury by the officer in court.

There's what the law says, and then there's the reality of how it's enforced by those who carry varying degrees of immunity, and often lie for a living without consequence, despite it being (in my State) a felony for a LEO to commit perjury on an affidavit for a warrant, or in direct testimony from the stand while under oath..

There's what's supposed to be, and what is.

Originally Posted by DocTim420

Just so you know, this is my backyard and if you are referring to the infamous San Clemente check on Interstate 5...that operation has been going on for at least 30 years (long before the passage of the Patriot Act). San Clemente Checkpoint is a "checkpoint", not a "searchpoint" (requiring a thing called "probable cause" before LEO can search your person and/or vehicle).

Given the option of reading reports online (authored by someone with an agenda who lives far away) or observing things with my eyes in my backyard....I choose the latter.

[St. Phatty]

Originally Posted by moose eater

Extra-legal search authorities within specific distances of the many U.S. borders are a reality.

There is a law that specifies a distance from the Coast, e.g. 50 miles, where LEO has 'jurisdiction'.

[resin_lung]

Originally Posted by DocTim420

Hmmm, I am exactly 98.5 miles from the Mexico border...no forfeiture of any 4th Amendment rights in Orange County.

How far are you off the coast? If I understand rr correctly it not just from international borders it from the entire coast. I got a place on the coast in Ventura and if he's right..... mi casa is their casa and that's nearly 200mi.

St. Phatty said if too.lol

Edit: 50 miles gets them in the valley too. All of L.A. actually.lol