[DocTim420]

Motive is the difference, imo.

Patriot Act was a knee jerk response to 9-11; primary motive was to protect citizens and nail the bastards that did the cowardly act. The motive here, imo, is to make the job easier for WAMTA employees, at the expense of their "customers".

I see a calamity of things in one big bundle.

First, this effects Washington DC--a "special Federal District" (not a state) where residents have zero Senate representation and are represented with just one non-voting "delegate" in the House of Representatives. LOL, talk about taxation without representation!

Second, since the Constitution gives the Congress exclusive control/jurisdiction over all matters of Washington DC--then one could argue the power/restrictions exerted on Washington DC by Congress...are examples of what Congress would like to impose on all 50 states, if only they had the "power".

Third, domino effect. What happens in one locality will spread to other localities...and expand to other agencies (monkey see...monkey do). If an unelected "chief executive officer" can decide when a private homes can be inspected (no warrant, no advance warning, no prosecution for trespass...) then how soon will it be before Child Protective Services has the same power? Or...even the agency that provides electricity. Unannounced inspections of buildings/homes of big users of electricity. Why not?

Fourth, teeter totter effect. The teeter totter is heavy on the side of deconstructing/removing Constitutional rights of CITIZENS (bureaucrats consolidating power that once belonged to their constituents). The teeter totter side that is up in the air are things like CITIZENS rights".

How do you make the light side of a teeter totter go down? Either add more weight to the light side and/or remove the excess on the heavy side. This just added more to the "heavy side" of the teeter totter.

Resin...if you buy a home with a power pole in your backyard, somewhere deep in the paperwork you will find an "easement" was granted to the utility company to access the power pole at anytime. Sometimes they will even compensate the owner making the original concession.

[ninsega]

Originally Posted by DocTim420

Not to be "political", but notice the 5 that voted against the Bill are all Reps...no Dems or Indies voted against it.

...then you shouldn't have said this last bit. 5 out of 240 is just 2% of Republicans. There's only 1 Independent in the entire House. The Democrats at 0% is barely less than Republicans at 2%.

[EasyGoing]

They are all on the same team guys. Stop with the dem this or Rep that. IMO.

[DocTim420]

Yep, but facts are facts. Zero Dems and zero Indies voted against this bill.

BTW, if I wanted to be political--I would have said "100% of all Dems voted to take away 4th Amendment Rights of Washington DC residents".....but that is not what I said.

The point is...this shit got passed without any mention or general discussion in the MSM.

[armedoldhippy]

Originally Posted by resin_lung

I thought that was the same deal if there is a power pole between yours and your neighbors backyards.

I was told by a DWP guy that if they wanna climb up a pole, they're gonna climb up a fkn pole.lol

am I wrong in either believing this to be true or comparing it to the OP?

you are right, you cannot stop utility workers from crossing your property to get to their worksite (said "pole"). they have a right of way. ditto water lines, gas pipelines, electric meters etc.

[moose eater]

And still, not long after the passage of the USA PA, it was revealed that the 'black-bag' searches of homes (absent the proper 4th Amendment delivery of an affidavit and warrant, with all the required info, was more often used against bookies, dopers and pimps/hookers than against terror suspects.

Given a tool, LEO will use it in the same way they've always used extra-legal tools; to pursue those they love to persecute, plain and simple.

Fortunately, at my home, I quietly passed a bill permitting me to operate with extreme prejudice if I should one day find anyone inside who can't give me a really quick and satisfactory answer as to what they're doing there and why.

We're not approaching fascism. We've been there for quite a long while. but folks keep on watching sit-coms and football, while Rome burns.

But they'll talk all doo-dah-day about patriotism, freedom, liberty, independence, and wave a flag on the 4th of July.. Talk about a Country that lacks significant self-awareness!! Sheesh!!

Originally Posted by DocTim420

Motive is the difference, imo.

Patriot Act was a knee jerk response to 9-11; primary motive was to protect citizens and nail the bastards that did the cowardly act. The motive here, imo, is to make the job easier for WAMTA employees, at the expense of their "customers".

[Gry]

One can only guess how much money was made as Rome burned.

[EasyGoing]

Looks like this story is more fake news? No warrentless searches from this bill.

https://www.snopes.com/did-congress-...less-searches/

Fake news everywhere.

[St. Phatty]

Originally Posted by moose eater

We're not approaching fascism. We've been there for quite a long while. but folks keep on watching sit-coms and football, while Rome burns.

or Floods.

The sad fact about that water is, it would come in real handy next time Texas has a drought. (the water that's not polluted from the petrochemical plant spills.)

But somehow America doesn't manage to connect the dots about the connection between floods and droughts.


Meanwhile, Rome built aqueducts - and they still failed.

2 of their failure points being a failing (highly diluted) currency, and a greatly over-stretched military.

Which sounds very familiar.

[resinryder]

Also its worth a mention that if you live 100 miles inland from a US border, Canada, Mexico, Atlantic, Pacific, you also have no rights regarding 4th amendment protections. This is how they were able to remove people from their home, some times at gun point, without a warrant in Boston when they were looking for the Boston Marathon bombers.