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brown_thumb · 08-10-2017, 06:38 PM

I have 4 clones that are about 2 months old and began to pre-flower 10 days ago. They're currently 18 inches (45cm) tall.

These are an attempt at 'monster cropping'... clones made from donor plants in early flowering. The clones eventually reverted to veg and are very bushy, compared to other weed I've grown.

As expected, the growth has been mutated and distorted. They're only now producing 'normal' leaves.

QUESTION: Should I clone the plants now or wait until normal growth stabilizes?

DeMonet · 08-10-2017, 07:34 PM

I'd wait.

In my experience (admittedly not as extensive as some members here), piling stresses upon stresses is counterproductive. A "monster cropped" (lol) plant is for sure stressed, and cloning it is another stress added to the first one. At best, you're likely to get clones that are slow to root.

One thing's for sure: waiting a little longer won't hurt.

ReikoX · 08-10-2017, 07:36 PM

Indeed, I would wait until you have nice healthy 5-bladed leaves before cloning. Your clones will root faster and be healthier overall.

brown_thumb · 08-10-2017, 08:46 PM

Okay, I'll wait until growth normalizes. That's probably only 2-3 weeks. Thank you!!

brown_thumb · 08-11-2017, 10:45 PM

The newest leaves seem to be 'normalizing'. Below is a pic of the clones. The 4 taller plants are 22-24 inches tall (55-60cm). They all grew at least 2 inches (5cm) in one day.

brown_thumb · 08-13-2017, 02:39 AM

The new growth has definitely normalized. There are some pre-flowers but I'm not sure these are actually going into flower. Once I'm certain they're flowering I'll trim some of the lower growth and begin LST... splay out the branches to allow more light into the middle areas. AND... I'll top them and clone those too.

DocTim420 · 08-13-2017, 12:58 PM

After you snip, let the cuttings soak in plain water for a few days before you do your normal cloning thing. I use tap water, since the tiny trace amounts of chlorine does help reduce any soggy stem issues.

I have corrected certain problems this way. I had a plant that had "issues" and I wanted to keep the genetics alive, so I cloned it and tossed the rootball away. The leaves showing pigment problems (yellowing, light green, funky growth, etc) slowly turned "forest green" after 4 days and I recall all but 2 of the 20 cuttings developed nicely into plants...when it was all said and done.

Also, the few days of water soaking fills up the xylem with water which loads the leaves with water, which certainly aids in the transpiration process. IMO, reduction of water in the leaves reduces phloem's ability to transport food from the leaves to the rest of the cutting.

More water in the xylem...more food in the phloem (and less wilt too).

aridbud · 08-13-2017, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeMonet

I'd wait.

In my experience (admittedly not as extensive as some members here), piling stresses upon stresses is counterproductive. A "monster cropped" (lol) plant is for sure stressed, and cloning it is another stress added to the first one. At best, you're likely to get clones that are slow to root.

One thing's for sure: waiting a little longer won't hurt.

Yep, agree whole heartedly! And looking at your plants....let them grow a bit more.

brown_thumb · 08-13-2017, 07:24 PM

Okay, folks. I'm patiently waiting for the plants to grow larger.

troutman · 08-13-2017, 07:32 PM

This may help you.

The older the plant is within reason the easier it is to clone.
Like waiting 6 weeks or more is good.
Do clone before the plants are sent into flowering.

08-10-2017, 06:38 PM	#1
brown_thumb Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 2,094	When to clone a clone? I have 4 clones that are about 2 months old and began to pre-flower 10 days ago. They're currently 18 inches (45cm) tall. These are an attempt at 'monster cropping'... clones made from donor plants in early flowering. The clones eventually reverted to veg and are very bushy, compared to other weed I've grown. As expected, the growth has been mutated and distorted. They're only now producing 'normal' leaves. QUESTION: Should I clone the plants now or wait until normal growth stabilizes?
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08-10-2017, 07:34 PM	#2
DeMonet Newbie Join Date: Apr 2017 Posts: 39	I'd wait. In my experience (admittedly not as extensive as some members here), piling stresses upon stresses is counterproductive. A "monster cropped" (lol) plant is for sure stressed, and cloning it is another stress added to the first one. At best, you're likely to get clones that are slow to root. One thing's for sure: waiting a little longer won't hurt.
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08-10-2017, 07:36 PM	#3
ReikoX Knight of the BlackSvn Join Date: May 2015 Location: Earth Posts: 1,922	Indeed, I would wait until you have nice healthy 5-bladed leaves before cloning. Your clones will root faster and be healthier overall. __________________ ReikoX's Workshop 2017 ReikoX's Workshop 2018 Afropip's Durban Poison Repro Tester Party Cup Challenge 2017 - Spring/Summer (winner)
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08-11-2017, 10:45 PM	#5
brown_thumb Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 2,094	The newest leaves seem to be 'normalizing'. Below is a pic of the clones. The 4 taller plants are 22-24 inches tall (55-60cm). They all grew at least 2 inches (5cm) in one day.
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08-13-2017, 02:39 AM	#6
brown_thumb Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 2,094	The new growth has definitely normalized. There are some pre-flowers but I'm not sure these are actually going into flower. Once I'm certain they're flowering I'll trim some of the lower growth and begin LST... splay out the branches to allow more light into the middle areas. AND... I'll top them and clone those too.
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08-10-2017, 08:46 PM	#4
brown_thumb Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 2,094	Okay, I'll wait until growth normalizes. That's probably only 2-3 weeks. Thank you!!
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08-13-2017, 12:58 PM	#7
DocTim420 The Doctor is OUT and has moved on... Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 1,192	After you snip, let the cuttings soak in plain water for a few days before you do your normal cloning thing. I use tap water, since the tiny trace amounts of chlorine does help reduce any soggy stem issues. I have corrected certain problems this way. I had a plant that had "issues" and I wanted to keep the genetics alive, so I cloned it and tossed the rootball away. The leaves showing pigment problems (yellowing, light green, funky growth, etc) slowly turned "forest green" after 4 days and I recall all but 2 of the 20 cuttings developed nicely into plants...when it was all said and done. Also, the few days of water soaking fills up the xylem with water which loads the leaves with water, which certainly aids in the transpiration process. IMO, reduction of water in the leaves reduces phloem's ability to transport food from the leaves to the rest of the cutting. More water in the xylem...more food in the phloem (and less wilt too).
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08-13-2017, 07:24 PM	#9
brown_thumb Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 2,094	Okay, folks. I'm patiently waiting for the plants to grow larger.
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08-13-2017, 07:32 PM	#10
troutman Seed Whore Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: In the Fridge Posts: 1,602	This may help you. The older the plant is within reason the easier it is to clone. Like waiting 6 weeks or more is good. Do clone before the plants are sent into flowering. __________________ I just died.
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