[Infinitesimal]

id say its normal.

the older fans always break off easy, even if its not deficient.

[PDX Dopesmoker]

If thats russet mites all the rest of the leaves will come off soon enough. If its just normal senescence then all almost all of the rest of the leaves will also come off soon enough, but not as soon as with the mites.
post better pictures if you want more sensible answers, there might be smaller features of those leaves/stems which could tip off what, if anything, is up.

[AgentPothead]

Originally Posted by PDX Dopesmoker

If thats russet mites all the rest of the leaves will come off soon enough. If its just normal senescence then all almost all of the rest of the leaves will also come off soon enough, but not as soon as with the mites.
post better pictures if you want more sensible answers, there might be smaller features of those leaves/stems which could tip off what, if anything, is up.

I'm 99% sure it's not mites, I have examined the plants under a loupe and haven't seen anything like that. If it's an age related thing, that makes total sense because these are quite past their supposed autoflower age. I think I didn't choose wisely on the genetics, but live and learn

[AgentPothead]

Originally Posted by Infinitesimal

id say its normal.

the older fans always break off easy, even if its not deficient.

I somehow didn't see this post but yeah if it's the age thing I think it's cause of them being over their autoflower age also. Thanks for the information guys. Love this forum for how much collective knowledge is available

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Originally Posted by AgentPothead

I'm 99% sure it's not mites, I have examined the plants under a loupe and haven't seen anything like that. If it's an age related thing, that makes total sense because these are quite past their supposed autoflower age. I think I didn't choose wisely on the genetics, but live and learn

Congrats on being mite-free, I took this hideous photo in my garden last night

[OG Expressions]

Originally Posted by resin_lung

I've been at it for like 30 yrs and still learn new stuff each grow. Too bad I'm kind of lazy these days and forgetful on top of that! Mainly lazy.haha

You have the right attitude though.

One bit of advice I like to give new growers is less is more! Except for time spent with your plants and research.

Update the thread if anything changes or no one else posts. You got me curious how it goes!lol

This is a cool thread. 30 year grower helping a first timer.

You are correct its overwatering. Coco can be overwatered easily. If it cant drain, or if its the wrong grind. Canna uses flake which is awesome if it can drain you cant overwater but say you have coco dust that shit clogs and wont drain for squat. Fiber can do that so can some of the mixes too.

He said its an auto. I hate autos nasty little things. I was told they have a bit stramge root system. I was told they grow with more of a single large taproot and dont like transplanting, that root is very delicate. I dont know if its true but i was told this by a guy who grows lots of autos.

Additionally, if these are old, lower leaves, they do that. They fall off over time. As you are watering often its not a risk you left them too long and leaves started to die

I dont think the OP has anything to worry about

[DocTim420]

If the "cell tissues" of your plant's stem/stalks are weak, then their cell walls might be thinner than most. If that is the case, then providing "Plant Available Silica" (PAS) can increase the cell wall thickness causing weaker stems that normally require support to stand on their on...no staking required.

In my garden, I had a particular strain that...if the stem was bent accidentally while topdressing, the sucker would snap half. After adding copious of amorphous silica to my custom grow medium, the stems appeared larger in diameter and instead of snapping in half when bent, they bounced back...standing tall.

Since your plants are already in the grow medium, I would investigate Potassium Silicate and make weekly root drenches (1.25ml/gallon rate is what I use) and consider foliar spraying with it as well.

Silica can do many things...include thickening the plant tissues' cell walls.

[AgentPothead]

Originally Posted by PDX Dopesmoker

Congrats on being mite-free, I took this hideous photo in my garden last night

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That picture should be labelled high octane nightmare fuel. I feel itchy just looking at it.

[AgentPothead]

Originally Posted by OG Expressions

This is a cool thread. 30 year grower helping a first timer.

You are correct its overwatering. Coco can be overwatered easily. If it cant drain, or if its the wrong grind. Canna uses flake which is awesome if it can drain you cant overwater but say you have coco dust that shit clogs and wont drain for squat. Fiber can do that so can some of the mixes too.

He said its an auto. I hate autos nasty little things. I was told they have a bit stramge root system. I was told they grow with more of a single large taproot and dont like transplanting, that root is very delicate. I dont know if its true but i was told this by a guy who grows lots of autos.

Additionally, if these are old, lower leaves, they do that. They fall off over time. As you are watering often its not a risk you left them too long and leaves started to die

I dont think the OP has anything to worry about

I'm using cyco pearl which is 30% perlite by volume the other 70% is coco fiber and peat, with the occasional chip. That's inside of a plastic superroots 3 gallon equivalent airpot. These things have more than adequate drainage so I really, really doubt I'm overwatering them. Last time I flipped them over I could see roots protruding from the bottom grill and the side cones have root tips as well, so they should all have very established root systems. These pots are incredible for roots, I really think the only "great" pictures I will get this grow are of roots. I think it is just poor genetics and they are past their flowering age and starting to show "old age" symptoms.

[AgentPothead]

Originally Posted by DocTim420

If the "cell tissues" of your plant's stem/stalks are weak, then their cell walls might be thinner than most. If that is the case, then providing "Plant Available Silica" (PAS) can increase the cell wall thickness causing weaker stems that normally require support to stand on their on...no staking required.

In my garden, I had a particular strain that...if the stem was bent accidentally while topdressing, the sucker would snap half. After adding copious of amorphous silica to my custom grow medium, the stems appeared larger in diameter and instead of snapping in half when bent, they bounced back...standing tall.

Since your plants are already in the grow medium, I would investigate Potassium Silicate and make weekly root drenches (1.25ml/gallon rate is what I use) and consider foliar spraying with it as well.

Silica can do many things...include thickening the plant tissues' cell walls.

I've seen a lot of people posting about adding silicates for stem strength issues as well. This is my first real grow so I'm trying to set a sort of baseline of what to expect, but that sounds like something I will try down the road to get a solid comparison with. Thanks for the infos.