[Female Seeds]

Hey PH,

That's nice, the weak one is good to keep on a side. She may catch later for sure.
I am curious to see that one with a different pheno, that must be really interesting Anyway, you mean a Skunk Special isn't it?

I can't really see well in the picture you posted, so I can't understand what is happening. By the way it sounds strange but could be because of different amount of nutrients or different feeding?
Could also be just the fact that ICE reacts better than Skunk Special to this kind of feeding, maybe yes maybe no...

I am not sure about the under oxygenation...but do you think that it may be the issue of the Skunk Special? I mean it may confirm the fact that ICE resists better or that is stronger when dealing with these kind of issues.

Anyway, no worries. I'm just really curious to see how will the develop in the next days and weeks, it will be for sure really interesting.

Thanks for the updates, very much appreciated

Take care,
Mr B.

Originally Posted by Phases

Hey Mr. B,

So for the most part there seems to be pretty uniform growth with the Skunk Special - however there is one that was stunted and is a lot smaller, I am leaving her alone and see if she can catch up later.

Now there is a runt that has good growth but is really short - looks to be a different pheno - so I got my eye on that one. I'll get some individual pictures to show the comparison.

There is however an issue and it's just on the SS's - the new growth is deformed and looks like a deficiency or something. If you click on the picture and zoom in on the individual plants you can see the damage.
The weird thing is the ICE Seedlings are all fine and don't exhibit any of these issues, so I am trying to sort that out.

Now what you had mentioned about the slower growth in coco - I think that I would put in smaller pots next time as the wet/dry cycles took longer than I would have liked, leading to underoxygenation I believe -
So that's something I should maybe keep in mind. Or maybe should have watered less but more often...

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*my T5 runs 24/0 currently - and this was the temp/RH reading yesterday. It's usually between 76-80 and 60-65 RH

[Phases]

Mr B

I am going to do a photo shoot with the ladies in the best few days. And I will get you a picture of the runt - it's definitely a different pheno.

It's reminding me of my CBD Dutch Treat - I had 4 seeds and there was 2 the same (or close)
And there was another one that was same height but different leaves and very tight internodal structure. Then the last one had really fat leaves and super short and stumpy!

Now the Skunk Special (SS) has some sort of issue - the newer growth is messed up - I will also get a picture of this issue and see is any one can help me out!!!

In the mean time does anyone have any suggestions for this new growth damage issues.

As far as the ICE doing better. I am not too sure. But the C-99 doesn't have these issues and neither does the WWxBB seedling. So I am trying to sort out some issues. But I will keep going!

Next update is coming soon and I'll get you pictures of the runt - and I
Will also list my individual phenos - I can see the ice Seedlings and there are definitely different phenos. So I am excited to see what I have. Also I have heard that ICE grows tight fat buds. So I am looking forward to seeing them in flower.

Any suggestions on how long I should veg the SS / ICE for ??
I've seen 2 months of veg. I believe that's what DTOG is doing with his SS's.

Anyways. New update to come soon!!

[Phases]

Ok so I've been having some issues with my Skunk Special - remember this is my first time growing Seedlings in coco and seems there's a bit of a learning curve.


So here is the issue.



The new growth is deformed and stunted looking. Now I have been giving the plants a wet dry cycle (not too dry) and today I mixed up some nutrients to feed them because I thought I might be underfeeding

Well turns out that's not the case at all.

1. My EC was 1.5-1.8 - and remember I am putting my nutrient mix at .8-1.0
2. PH was like 6.5ish. Going in it has been 5.8-6.1

So what was happening is I didn't have enough runoff possibly and when I let the coco dry out a bit it was causing some salt build up and my ec shot up. Now usually when ec goes up your ph goes down. So the fact my ph is higher than input leads me to believe my ph was higher than what my runoff was telling me.

Now the ICE Seedlings don't have this problem and they have the same high ec and ph issues. So I think the ice can handle higher feedings.

Today I mixed up 1.0 mix and gave a lot of runoff to balance the ph and get the ec to come down.

I think this may have slowed things up on the SS's - but we will see if I can get them back on track - going to do a calmag only feed next time they need to be fed and flush out any build up.

Anyone have any alternative thought from looking at the pics ? And the description above?

I am getting a decent root system - how long in veg before you up pot - right now they are in like 3" circle pots. I am going to go up to a 5" square pot next I think. Then into a 1.5 gal pot and that's what I will flower in.

On another note the c-99 is doing good and the WWxBB is coming along nice. I am excited to see how these plants do!

I will have another update soon. Hopefully I can fix these SS's and turn em around quick.

[Female Seeds]

Hey PH,

Here I am!
ICE is among the frostiest and thickest bud producer among our strains.
The main characteristics are being bushy, low and compact shape of the plant plus is well shaped and clear indica.
2 months of veg? I believe are more than enough, but it depends on you...just keep in mind that the ICE is an impressive bud producer and the SKUNK SPECIAL too meaning that in any case they will produce quite enough buds for sure

About the issue you are having....as you already said, I also believe that the Skunk can't handle as much as the ICE. And the issue could be an overfeeding?! I think the SKUNKs need some flushing, it could work very well to help them recover, that is going to help for sure. Flushing them a bit could be the solution.

You will probably see it day by day, but inform us as soon as you notice any improvement

All the best,
Mr B.

Originally Posted by Phases

Ok so I've been having some issues with my Skunk Special - remember this is my first time growing Seedlings in coco and seems there's a bit of a learning curve.


So here is the issue.

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The new growth is deformed and stunted looking. Now I have been giving the plants a wet dry cycle (not too dry) and today I mixed up some nutrients to feed them because I thought I might be underfeeding

Well turns out that's not the case at all.

1. My EC was 1.5-1.8 - and remember I am putting my nutrient mix at .8-1.0
2. PH was like 6.5ish. Going in it has been 5.8-6.1

So what was happening is I didn't have enough runoff possibly and when I let the coco dry out a bit it was causing some salt build up and my ec shot up. Now usually when ec goes up your ph goes down. So the fact my ph is higher than input leads me to believe my ph was higher than what my runoff was telling me.

Now the ICE Seedlings don't have this problem and they have the same high ec and ph issues. So I think the ice can handle higher feedings.

Today I mixed up 1.0 mix and gave a lot of runoff to balance the ph and get the ec to come down.

I think this may have slowed things up on the SS's - but we will see if I can get them back on track - going to do a calmag only feed next time they need to be fed and flush out any build up.

Anyone have any alternative thought from looking at the pics ? And the description above?

I am getting a decent root system - how long in veg before you up pot - right now they are in like 3" circle pots. I am going to go up to a 5" square pot next I think. Then into a 1.5 gal pot and that's what I will flower in.

On another note the c-99 is doing good and the WWxBB is coming along nice. I am excited to see how these plants do!

I will have another update soon. Hopefully I can fix these SS's and turn em around quick.

[Amaalza]

Nice healthy looking plants.that ice sounds lovely

[DoubleTripleOG]

To me it looks like there's some kind of pest int he root zone. Fungus gnats might be down there. That first pic in post #23 , the leaf on the far left, looks to have whitefly damage.

Usually when I have leaves that look like your deformed leaves, it's cause of a pest in the medium. If you can afford it, get some Captain Jacks and do a root drench and foliar spray. Then see how they respond. I bet they grow right out of it.

Sometimes IME, being rootbound will cause deformed leaves. Those look to be fairly large for the containers they are in. Maybe up-pot them as well. These are just suggestions. As I have very limited experience with coco. I have started many seeds in it, and used it for clones. But as a start to finish medium, I have only 1 or 2 runs under my belt.

[Phases]

DTOG - it looks like I might have some thrips or something - tiny little bugs on leaves - so I sprayed ema all down and some didn't like the spray and look stressed. Plus I had recently flushed them out - so they are a little stressed. Going to spray em down with plain water get all the pesticide off the leaves. Then once they recover I am going to transplant em - as they have a nice root mass and maybe they can grow out of whatever issue they are having - I'll look into the root drench you mentioned.

Just a little bump in the road. I am sure they will bounce back!

Thanks for your input. Much appreciated.!

[Phases]

Ok so after doing a semi flush with low ec mix. And spraying for bugs. My plants went into a bit of shock.
I am going to slowly nurse them back to health - today I fed them a good does of cal mag and base nutrients runoff still a bit high. But the plants look every light and deficient also ph is still not on point. About half the ICE are looking nice and not as affected
And a few SS are alright still - the C-99 is doing well and not affected.

So little bit of a learning curve with the seeds in coco...

Frustrating to say the least but I am still optimistic that they will bounce back - but not to happy with the delay.

Note to self. Start in smaller pots and easy on the big spray, keep close eye on ec and ph levels.

This all being said my CBD Dutch Treat seeds had a few issues and are doing amazing right now, so they will be sure to get back on track.. bare with me...

[Female Seeds]

The reaction of the Skunks is quite normal, I mean, they have been through a rough period...there is plenty to learn of course but don't lose hope, they will rise again.
And you said you flushed them already for a short time isn't it?

Anyway keep up the good work and be persistent!

Do you have any pics of the ICE actually? For how long you wanna veg them?


All for now, thanks for the update!

All the best,
Mr B.

Originally Posted by Phases

Ok so after doing a semi flush with low ec mix. And spraying for bugs. My plants went into a bit of shock.
I am going to slowly nurse them back to health - today I fed them a good does of cal mag and base nutrients runoff still a bit high. But the plants look every light and deficient also ph is still not on point. About half the ICE are looking nice and not as affected
And a few SS are alright still - the C-99 is doing well and not affected.

So little bit of a learning curve with the seeds in coco...

Frustrating to say the least but I am still optimistic that they will bounce back - but not to happy with the delay.

Note to self. Start in smaller pots and easy on the big spray, keep close eye on ec and ph levels.

This all being said my CBD Dutch Treat seeds had a few issues and are doing amazing right now, so they will be sure to get back on track.. bare with me...

[Phases]

Mr. B

Thanks for popping by.

Actually after I gave a small flush (and by flush I mean a 1/4 strength solution with lots
Of runoff) sprayed for bugs and then realized I rinsed out
Too much of the nutrients - I went ahead and gave them a full feeding with calmag - I run 6/9 (6ml/g micro and 9ml/g bloom) - most actually peeled back up.

Here is the ICE plants a few days ago and I'll get an update in a few more days when things straighten out a bit more.



It's weird how some got so affected and others were fine.

I think there may have been a lock out causing some deficientcy and then when I flushed them. It became deficient from lack of nutrients. Because when I gave a solid feeding with full dose calmag and lots runoff. The ones that weren't totally damaged started to show signs of turning around quickly. Very interesting to try and sort out issue with Seedlings. So used to clone.

I also have 2 other flower rooms that I am just finishing up with the build portion and in middle of getting tables in and building drip system. Got a lot going on but going to baby these ladies back to good health!

I plan on begging about 4-6 weeks I want to ensure I can get a few clones from each different pheno. So we'll see..

Thanks for coming by - any input or comments are appreciated - if
You think I could be doing something different. Let me know.

P