[Egzoset]

Hi again,

Originally Posted by b_bout_it_303

...no resistance when I push the vapor out of the bag...

M'well, *I* was replying to the initial topic as quoted below, euh...

Originally Posted by Parallax

I have a glass vaporgenie which is great requires deep draws....but my girl has asthma so a much smaller lung capacity and so I'm looking for something which is much easier to inhale.... something PORTABLE and good flavor/vape - stealthy design is not very important.

Concatenated as a single sentence, my comment is to the effect that in this special case the VaporGenie would be significantly most appropriate on the long run, once it has been moddified (e.g. to implement the forgotten feature of VG's patent US 7434584 B2, fig. 11/12)... Euh... If i can juge by my own experience trying to deal with similar issues since 2012 or so.

By the way, did i mention that i've gradually came to the conclusion it was a HOT DRY AIR OVENIZER which most probably contributed to my own over-sensitization in the 1st place - and to a point i eventually developped asthma symptoms when i never had such episodes as a smoker (non-vaporist) before!?...

Euh...

The need for a bag's contact-surface ain't necessarily corresponding to Parallax's problem dealing with his girl's own special needs. It serves the purpose of a manufacturer who won't include water in their so-called "medical-grade" designs (torture machines) at all. M'well, medi-something if we can juge by their inflated price-tags alone!...

Using a Release/Transport Agent which has been "potentialized" with super-heated steam only makes sense as it emulates part of what's going on in a cigarette where part of the vegetal substrate fuels a fire meant to vaporize the other part, with everything mixed together as a single stream which includes the toxic compounds of combustion. The cigarette somehow benefits from the additives, so to speak, because Hot Dry Air alone doesn't carry as much heat. The cigarette, on another hand conveniently provides a "potentialized" Release/Transport Agent comparatively to the Hot Dry Air Ovenizers which do not. That advantage is related to toking duration instead of airflow features alone, because the process ain't frozen in time: it's dynamic, based on movement rather than static as in ovenizer concepts. M'well, i figure it's where those fail in every day use. I've tested moisturized air in the outlet path and this only delayed trouble, no joy there. In the end either the whole cession turns exhausting, etc. But that is one individual case, i'm not pretending my choice is best for everyone. Only those who require special attention selecting a cannabic vaporizer for dry flowers, as our needs may happen to be similar... Not to mention the OP has the VG Glass already, an excellent option to explore under these special circumstances IMHO!

Other than that i'd recommend doing her a "shot gun" pass in hope that's not too irritating. After all i wasn't able to use my VG until i modified it radically - and the ritual with it... Effectively keeping inclusivity on my mind all the time...

Another suggestion would be to at least consider a switch of ritual by choosing a DynaVap "1 Hitter", for example. The reason being time-related, essentially, since the female user appears to have short breath... Forget tiny airflow restriction when the air ain't even reaching the lungs anyway, that would fail miserably. Dealing with it using brief DynaVap tokes wouldn't provide a self-moisturized cannabic stream but i believe that's more appropriate in terms of critical timing: it's no fun to waste good nugets because the load never gets to destination!...



Good day, have fun!!

[Parallax]

Wow I didn't realize this thread was active hence my late reply.... okay well thanks everyone for your $0.02 and EGzoset thanks for your very detailed share although I'm not quite sure I comprehend all of it.

Anyway I bought the Mighty - I must say I don't regret it for a sec and the missus is also quite happy. Sure the price tag is hefty but it's just an amazing piece of equipment. She had very little if any trouble at all inhaling. In fact, she enjoyed it so much she couldn't stop and in no time was baked AF LOL. Now I should add that she's been taking CBD oil for the past 6 months and that has had a very good effect on her asthma (although it has not magically increased her lung capacity). But for the first time in her life she didn't need steroids... I'd be very surprised if that's not connected somehow to that oil she's been taking. And a few hits now and then won't hurt either

Peace.

[b_bout_it_303]

Originally Posted by Parallax

Wow I didn't realize this thread was active hence my late reply.... okay well thanks everyone for your $0.02 and EGzoset thanks for your very detailed share although I'm not quite sure I comprehend all of it.

Anyway I bought the Mighty - I must say I don't regret it for a sec and the missus is also quite happy. Sure the price tag is hefty but it's just an amazing piece of equipment. She had very little if any trouble at all inhaling. In fact, she enjoyed it so much she couldn't stop and in no time was baked AF LOL. Now I should add that she's been taking CBD oil for the past 6 months and that has had a very good effect on her asthma (although it has not magically increased her lung capacity). But for the first time in her life she didn't need steroids... I'd be very surprised if that's not connected somehow to that oil she's been taking. And a few hits now and then won't hurt either

Peace.

Bro glad to hear you guys got something that worked!!!
I have had mine over a decade now, and they also have great customer service if anything happens to it!

I have heard about it being helpful for asthma, so hope things work well for you both!

[Egzoset]

Salutations Parallax,

Originally Posted by Parallax

...thanks for your very detailed share although I'm not quite sure I comprehend all of it.

It's about something like the sound barrier to the Wright brothers i guess, not to mention some more progress was made recently:

This "power" setup clearly illustrates a simple fact: in pulsed mode shorter tastes better!... But staring ain't gonna help i'm afraid...

M'well, it's a semi-DIY scenario which proved affordable enough and i figure there are now "replacement" parts available on the market which could serve as substitutes for my custom-made 17-Holes Metal Disc. Actually i'm thinking of the DynaVap Circumferential Compression Diffuser (CCD) Screen, for example. Who knows, the mass and everything could be compatible! I wonder.



Take note this configuration requires well-cured naturally-dried cannabis flowers with plenty of trichomes or performance might suffer significantly...

As for asthma, can anyone notice how the extension tube has a change of look when moist air condenses inside? Try to get that effect from a Hot Dry Air Volcano - or worse: portable emulations of it! YMMV.

Good day, have fun!!

[EvergreenState]

Having sensitive lungs myself, I've tried several different vaporizers and my experience has been completely negative. Twice after using vaporizers I've had to go on oral and inhaled steroid treatments in order to loosen up my totally locked up lungs. My feeling is that vaporizers produce very fine, very small particulate that lodges deeply into the lungs and causes a severe reaction in some sensitive people. I avoid vaporizers like the plague now.

[Egzoset]

Salutations EvergreenState,

Originally Posted by EvergreenState

Having sensitive lungs myself...

I'd repeat that the VG concept is different, that i wasn't having respiratory problems before i tried my 1st table vaporizer, late in my life though. That i must point a finger at inlet water for an explanation as to how i reverse the situation to something manageable. But i remained selective with what works best in my modded pipe i must admit...

Originally Posted by EvergreenState

My feeling is that vaporizers produce very fine, very small particulate...

I've also considered scenarios like that, because using a very same prototyping platform i could observe some hybrid core configurations sometimes seemed to expose me to more frequent operator errors which were eventually leading to combustion incidents, etc. It only takes 1 incident to get one's throat irritated for days in a row.

Originally Posted by EvergreenState

...severe reaction in some sensitive people.

Yes, i identified the cause as a fundamental design flaw common to all Hot Dry Air torture machines, which then allowed me to explore corrective measures like my FogBong! solution, then finally i opted for water in the inlet path.

Maybe you should have tried!

Originally Posted by EvergreenState

I avoid vaporizers like the plague now.

For me smoking just ain't going to happen again, while most vaporizers are excluded too if they share common socio-toxic features as a Hot Dry Air concept, for example. Even my FogBong! consumption method failed to put moisture where it works best, for everyone including sensitive airways:



This was about water in the outlet path instead. At the time it didn't feel like a durable cure on the long run. There's got to be something about the VG system not found in most vaporizers which explains the radically different outcome. YMMV i guess.

Good day, have fun!!

[EvergreenState]

[quote=Egzoset;8071922]Salutations EvergreenState,



I'd repeat that the VG concept is different, that i wasn't having respiratory problems before i tried my 1st table vaporizer, late in my life though. That i must point a finger at inlet water for an explanation as to how i reverse the situation to something manageable. But i remained selective with what works best in my modded pipe i must admit...



I've also considered scenarios like that, because using a very same prototyping platform i could observe some hybrid core configurations sometimes seemed to expose me to more frequent operator errors which were eventually leading to combustion incidents, etc. It only takes 1 incident to get one's throat irritated for days in a row.



Yes, i identified the cause as a fundamental design flaw common to all Hot Dry Air torture machines, which then allowed me to explore corrective measures like my FogBong! solution, then finally i opted for water in the inlet path.

Maybe you should have tried!
I would like to try your method but I'm sorry but it went over my head a bit. Are you saying with a certain type of vaporizer and the device you've created, you can use a vaporizer comfortably?
I can't smoke much at all now and mostly use medibles but I miss the smoking experience.

[EvergreenState]

I went to your plus google page and you have nice photos there. Are you selling these?

[Livelyup]

Originally Posted by Parallax

I have a glass vaporgenie which is great requires deep draws....but my girl has asthma so a much smaller lung capacity and so I'm looking for something which is much easier to inhale.... something PORTABLE and good flavor/vape - stealthy design is not very important.

Would you recommend the Crafty/Mighty? Saw it on sale now on some sites.

I read that for the lowest draw resistance it's probably better to get a Volcano or Arizer EQ but would really something portable...

I bought the Crafty, but found it to be a total pain in the ass to use. You had to keep pushing a button to keep it from going out. It was also a total pain in the ass to clean, with the little silicone rings breaking easily and costing a lot to replace.

I bought the Storz/Bickel Plenty a few months ago, and it's hands down the very best vaporizer I've used. Super easy to clean, has a huge vaping bowl, when I turn it off, I can just twist off the top containing the herb and remove it from the heat source until I'm ready to fire it up again. Excellent design and all strong parts.

Only problem is, it's not portable. But I've given up on portables; I don't think they can compete with plug ins.

[b_bout_it_303]

Originally Posted by Egzoset

Salutations Parallax,



It's about something like the sound barrier to the Wright brothers i guess, not to mention some more progress was made recently:

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This "power" setup clearly illustrates a simple fact: in pulsed mode shorter tastes better!... But staring ain't gonna help i'm afraid...

M'well, it's a semi-DIY scenario which proved affordable enough and i figure there are now "replacement" parts available on the market which could serve as substitutes for my custom-made 17-Holes Metal Disc. Actually i'm thinking of the DynaVap Circumferential Compression Diffuser (CCD) Screen, for example. Who knows, the mass and everything could be compatible! I wonder.



Take note this configuration requires well-cured naturally-dried cannabis flowers with plenty of trichomes or performance might suffer significantly...

As for asthma, can anyone notice how the extension tube has a change of look when moist air condenses inside? Try to get that effect from a Hot Dry Air Volcano - or worse: portable emulations of it! YMMV.

Good day, have fun!!

Bro I think if any of use wanted to heat something up with a torch, we will take a dab...
I will take my dry hot thc infused vapor clouds that are not moisturized, looks like a great set up for a pipe though!