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Old 06-16-2017, 10:47 AM
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Good low drag resistance vaporizers? (asthma / lung problems)

I have a glass vaporgenie which is great requires deep draws....but my girl has asthma so a much smaller lung capacity and so I'm looking for something which is much easier to inhale.... something PORTABLE and good flavor/vape - stealthy design is not very important.

Would you recommend the Crafty/Mighty? Saw it on sale now on some sites.

I read that for the lowest draw resistance it's probably better to get a Volcano or Arizer EQ but would really something portable...

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Old 08-10-2017, 10:45 AM
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...VaporGenie... ...requires deep draws...
Too bad i didn't read this earlier, i don't stick around much these days. Anyway, i find the topic significant enough to add some related feedback on the matter.

1st of all i've come to focus my attention on what i tagged the "Release/Transport Agent" and it was a VaporGenie which allowed me to make such progress. That was quite a giant step compared to when i was told to buy an Arizer 7 years ago, euh... Well, i did buy one eventually, the V-Tower, but i shall confess i launched my short spiral with an HerbalAire instead, though it happened to end up with Arizer's Solo Glass Stem as a complement until that had to be decomissioned too...

The thing is i need/require Inlet Water in my Release/Transport Agent, which no Arizers provide, nor competitors. Lucky me the VaporGenie does open a door on something i consider of value to all consumers who get marginalized by manufacturers who find more practical to avoid the water issue, or only care for post-vaporization (outlet) water filtration/conditioning. Unfortunately my FogBong adaptation still announced long term failure and hence the 1 single solution i have left today is based on a radically customized VaporGenie pipe where some tiny amount of super-heated inlet water is being captured from the flame's corona before i proceed to "pre-heating" (it's about "injection" of a "heat charge" into the "hybrid core")...

The Inlet Water is what i could identify as the difference between my HA-based torture machine and the relief of my personalized VG(s). I figured it must be about water having a large "specific heat" capacity, so once heated to ~600 °C or so, i guess, that tiny amount of this steam has 2 simultaneous functions: inlet self-moisturization on top of release/transport agent "potentialization", considering that hot dry air alone just ain't carrying as much energy as the VG version. At least that's my best explanation for what i experienced.

So it's not simply about airflow restriction, there's also the matter of how much lunch effort needs to be provided and that would translate as duration. Too short a breath and all one can do is pre-heat or the difficulty will boost hesitation then promote operator errors leading to combustion, etc. My revised version of VG's patented concept (see fig. #11/#12) turns the core into a "thermal bottle" which allows operation in separate steps: pre-heating, heating, vaporization, purging. Pre-Heating being the only 1 step requiring the presence of a clean-burning butane flame, blue being prefered over yellow "candle" ones. Here are links to illustrate what i done to VG's concept since 2013:

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N. B.: In my "Plan-B" implementation (with "B" standing for "Butane") there's only one half of the Lava capasule, but that's a long story...

More details are available here:
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IMO once featured with a separate Pre-Heating phase the glass VG pipe would allow your couple to delegate this difficult initial part of the process to yourself while your wife would get the easy part with no flame involved, not to mention this comes with a tiny amount of water in the inlet path which i found most beneficial on the long run, somehow... Quite a long story too.



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Old 08-10-2017, 04:37 PM
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I have a glass vaporgenie which is great requires deep draws....but my girl has asthma so a much smaller lung capacity and so I'm looking for something which is much easier to inhale.... something PORTABLE and good flavor/vape - stealthy design is not very important.

Would you recommend the Crafty/Mighty? Saw it on sale now on some sites.

I read that for the lowest draw resistance it's probably better to get a Volcano or Arizer EQ but would really something portable...


Bro I have had my Cano coming on 10 years now! Best thing I have ever bought! Worth the price, especially if you are looking for easy flow.
You can push your lips against the valve and push on the bag with your hands, don't even have to pull!

No other vape touches the cano, you won't be disappointed or ever second quess the purchase!
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...i believe both the Mighty and the Crafty are made by the same company as the Volcano, Storz and Bickel i believe.

...i'm considering the Mighty myself.

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Yeah, one of the bag based systems would be best. I have an Arizer EQ and it's easy enough to bring to your girl's place. It's not portable enough to use on the way there. You can even use the whip with the fan or hook the whip up to a water pipe. Now I want to dust mine off tonight.
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...i believe both the Mighty and the Crafty are made by the same company as the Volcano, Storz and Bickel i believe.

...i'm considering the Mighty myself.

peace, bozo
they are
if I did not have the volcano, I would of looked into one of these, The quality is unrivaled by any other vaporizer company!
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:20 PM
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Hi again,

Apologies in advance!! Standing from where i look the venerable Volcano, Arizer, and similar lines all share a common feature which proved incompatible with my lungs or maybe it was the other way around. In any case the result is still predictible: their "Release/Transport Agent" is Hot Dry Air alone and that's not without serious consequences in terms of consumer inclusivity - E. G. for those with "special" needs.

In addition i'd like to point out for the purist's attention that Arizer was criticized by some people who would have prefered separate/confined paths, starting in 2008 as far as i can tell (...), and still counting unless that was finally corrected (?) with late revised versions of their Solo...

The modest Canadian HerbalAire is what i'm most familiar with but i gradually needed to turn it into a giant Solo-like table unit and the very same easily recognizable issue remained all along: HOT DRY AIR alone!! Naturally it's now picking dust, after wasting 25 months searching in the wrong direction, not even by fault of some manufacturer problem, no: the problem is a most fundamental flaw that actually plagues most of these DeLuxe torture machine$$$, euh... As far as i'm personally concerned.

By chance "special" needs are only marginal and hence i won't pretend this verdict above should apply to everyone; only those with "special" needs who should pay "special" attention to verifyable hard facts - and this has to begin with the Release/Transport Agent which nobody in this industry seems to know about, and yet it does what its tag-name says! Go figure. In any case the heated air releases the goodies then it carries the precious load away, quite typically from an ovenizer apparatus to top it all!...

Oh! One may want to try my FogBong! solution, only to find out on the long run that's only delaying the abuse of hot dry air alone on sensible airways and lungs. Outlet conditioning then ain't no joy neither, at least not on on a routine basis - which is quite inconvenent for the OP's wife i presume!

As for Arizer, in all honesty the V-Tower only caused me misery and those were no tiny bowls... Having to "prepare" or build up the convective current for some eventual ultimate puff that never occured felt tiresome, for a lack of lung power. I vividly recall thinking that my dry flowers kept baking between failed inhalations as the "fumet" rarely made a score. Sincerely, i felt like a dog chasing his own tail, because the the whole consumption method combined to its associated ritual just failed to meet the consumer's requirement's: mine. M'well, at least in my own personal situation and i'm not gullible enough to think i'm a very 1st on planet Itnoc.



So, no Volcano for me please. At least have the decency to mention the lengthy path hidden inside its black box, with a pump added to that tubing, 3 sections of it!...

Really, i've demonstrated long ago on YouTube how these extraneous articles can be completely removed from a cannabic path and another guy even pushed the KISS principle to a most enjoyable climax with his "Amazing Vapor Lung". That's been a brilliant and truly accessible proof of concept showing the Volcano (or similar) has no absolute need for surplus contact-surface inside flexible tubing, attached to a pump plus other plastic elements, etc. Of course it's convenient and profitable, for the manufacturer who doesn't have/want to offer/exploit alternatives based on negative pressure. Now consider the abosute minimum path length in my Lava capsule concept that supports Inlet Auto-Conditioning (from distilled water), Micro-Dosage (potentially to address tolerance issues via slow/gradual "de-sensitization" in ~20 mg chunks, ideally...), a Micro-Bursting method/ritual (to promote "Conservation" + Aroma/Taste by avoiding ovenization between tokes as the bowl doesn't just heat fast: it cools fast too)... ... then revisit this whole challenge again with all that in mind and ask yourself what the majors have done for "special" need customers lately!



Yes i shall agree Volcanoes make great sellers, for those guys facing a consumer...

Sorry if this sounds like i'm trying to break the toys of others, there's no incentive as it's broken already. The thing is the reader should be informed better about where the relevant evidence resides, what to look for... In the case of a Volcano one only has to lift the cover - and that's for those who chose balloons. So much for inclusivity. Now lets talk about the "locomotive" effect promoting wasteful habits - as nobody wants to leave a bag half full around. Etc., etc.

Decidedly, me and those fancy Hot Dry Air Ovenizers we're decidedly not made for each other - but that's me. YMMV! Good luck.

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Hi again,

Apologies in advance!! Standing from where i look the venerable Volcano, Arizer, and similar lines all share a common feature which proved incompatible with my lungs or maybe it was the other way around. In any case the result is still predictible: their "Release/Transport Agent" is Hot Dry Air alone and that's not without serious consequences in terms of consumer inclusivity - E. G. for those with "special" needs.

In addition i'd like to point out for the purist's attention that Arizer was criticized by some people who would have prefered separate/confined paths, starting in 2008 as far as i can tell (...), and still counting unless that was finally corrected (?) with late revised versions of their Solo...

The modest Canadian HerbalAire is what i'm most familiar with but i gradually needed to turn it into a giant Solo-like table unit and the very same easily recognizable issue remained all along: HOT DRY AIR alone!! Naturally it's now picking dust, after wasting 25 months searching in the wrong direction, not even by fault of some manufacturer problem, no: the problem is a most fundamental flaw that actually plagues most of these DeLuxe torture machine$$$, euh... As far as i'm personally concerned.

By chance "special" needs are only marginal and hence i won't pretend this verdict above should apply to everyone; only those with "special" needs who should pay "special" attention to verifyable hard facts - and this has to begin with the Release/Transport Agent which nobody in this industry seems to know about, and yet it does what its tag-name says! Go figure. In any case the heated air releases the goodies then it carries the precious load away, quite typically from an ovenizer apparatus to top it all!...

Oh! One may want to try my FogBong! solution, only to find out on the long run that's only delaying the abuse of hot dry air alone on sensible airways and lungs. Outlet conditioning then ain't no joy neither, at least not on on a routine basis - which is quite inconvenent for the OP's wife i presume!

As for Arizer, in all honesty the V-Tower only caused me misery and those were no tiny bowls... Having to "prepare" or build up the convective current for some eventual ultimate puff that never occured felt tiresome, for a lack of lung power. I vividly recall thinking that my dry flowers kept baking between failed inhalations as the "fumet" rarely made a score. Sincerely, i felt like a dog chasing his own tail, because the the whole consumption method combined to its associated ritual just failed to meet the consumer's requirement's: mine. M'well, at least in my own personal situation and i'm not gullible enough to think i'm a very 1st on planet Itnoc.



So, no Volcano for me please. At least have the decency to mention the lengthy path hidden inside its black box, with a pump added to that tubing, 3 sections of it!...

Really, i've demonstrated long ago on YouTube how these extraneous articles can be completely removed from a cannabic path and another guy even pushed the KISS principle to a most enjoyable climax with his "Amazing Vapor Lung". That's been a brilliant and truly accessible proof of concept showing the Volcano (or similar) has no absolute need for surplus contact-surface inside flexible tubing, attached to a pump plus other plastic elements, etc. Of course it's convenient and profitable, for the manufacturer who doesn't have/want to offer/exploit alternatives based on negative pressure. Now consider the abosute minimum path length in my Lava capsule concept that supports Inlet Auto-Conditioning (from distilled water), Micro-Dosage (potentially to address tolerance issues via slow/gradual "de-sensitization" in ~20 mg chunks, ideally...), a Micro-Bursting method/ritual (to promote "Conservation" + Aroma/Taste by avoiding ovenization between tokes as the bowl doesn't just heat fast: it cools fast too)... ... then revisit this whole challenge again with all that in mind and ask yourself what the majors have done for "special" need customers lately!



Yes i shall agree Volcanoes make great sellers, for those guys facing a consumer...

Sorry if this sounds like i'm trying to break the toys of others, there's no incentive as it's broken already. The thing is the reader should be informed better about where the relevant evidence resides, what to look for... In the case of a Volcano one only has to lift the cover - and that's for those who chose balloons. So much for inclusivity. Now lets talk about the "locomotive" effect promoting wasteful habits - as nobody wants to leave a bag half full around. Etc., etc.

Decidedly, me and those fancy Hot Dry Air Ovenizers we're decidedly not made for each other - but that's me. YMMV! Good luck.

Good day, have fun!!!

No idea what you are even talking about, but I know there is no "lengthy path" to my heating element. I use a bag, and can manually force it out with my hands.

Don't even want to know how yours is easier...

Glad you are having success using whatever it is you use...

I think homie who started this thread would find the volcano absolutely amazing to use and not experience any issues he has above.
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Old 08-15-2017, 07:28 PM
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Salutations, euh...

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No idea... ... Don't even want to know... Glad you are having success...
We contribute each with our own personal experiences and from independent perspectives, my reply was focussed on the request posted by "homie" exactly:

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I have a glass VaporGenie... ... ...I'm looking for something which is much easier to inhale...
...and his "girl" has lesser lung capacity because of asthma.

So after verification (assuming that's no fake post) i'm forced to conclude i've got it just right initially; no need for a translator, nor would it help to deny in block while arguing the Volcano's (heater-to-bowl) outlet path is short (e.g. please don't look under the hood!)... Not to mention it serve no other purpose than to re-assert the rest of an opinion which i find to focus less on Parallax's initial post than your own, dear b_bout_it_303.

Well, lets have a look under the hood anyway, if you don't mind:









In all honesty i felt too lazy to search for updates rather than simply re-use old pictures - but that should do fine i believe. Take note the flexible section marked "Inlet tube" ain't readily accessible for easy maintenance, for example.

Now lets assume those tubes are perfectly inert and the bag system reduces drag to a non-issue level, sorry guys but that balloon still remains completely incompatible with self-moisturization paths... 'cause i don't want to know what will happen should one ever dare to allow moist air inside, on a routine basis!... Which is why the Volcano is no different from practically all of its competitors, except VaporGenie exactly: as far as i'm concerned it's nothing more than a fancy/expensive Hot Dry Air Ovenizer failing to help some marginal consumers with particular needs as initially explained by the OP. Then of course YMMV, today or perhaps only in 6 months, who knows!...

Personally i'm done gambling, i require water in the inlet path and that means super-heated steam as from a torch's corona. Don't ask me why, test my observations with your own experiments if necessary, using people with sensitive-enough "antenas"...

All i know is that the majors demonstrated no drive doing it for persons like me and possibly "homie's girl" too. One other thing i know is that the ritual/consumption method has to be revisited quite seriously.

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I think homie who started this thread would find the volcano absolutely amazing to use and not experience any issues he has above.
Considering the cost i wish homie is as lucky as you been optimistic! Which makes me ask: what is YOUR co$t shall the man loose his bet? Only a tiny bit of virtual reputation at the hands of Egzoset perhaps? How much is that?? Really, if it's about you and me i'll give you the victory you want with no futher resistance. I rest my case!

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well jeez, I guess I have been getting high wrong, and storz and bickel are a POS company. I wondered why they haven't hired you yet, to improve their oven...


Lastly, no resistance when I push the vapor out of the bag with my hands into my lungs...
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