Autoflowering in Supersoil advice and help please! - Auto Flowering - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

cuba · 05-27-2017, 06:35 PM

Hello to everyone

I need advice from more experienced growers, please!
I am preparing my own mix of super soil from my own compost that I made from last year to this year, and Pindstrup from Holland. It is kind of root compost...

It will contain:

Fish meal
Bone meal
Blood meal
Epsom salt
Humic and fulvic acid
Azomite
Alfalfa
Bat guano
Worm casting
Lime
Mycorrhizae
Perlite

this is some of the recipes that I found https://www.growweedeasy.com/organic-super-soil

https://www.monstergardens.com/SuperSoil
Recipe:

8 - 1.5 cubic ft bags of high quality base soil
1 33lb. bag of Worm Castings
2.5 lbs. Fish Bone Meal
5 lbs. High Phosphorus Bat Guano
5 lbs. Blood Meal
2.5 lbs. Bone Meal
3 cups. Oyster Shell
3 cups. Kelp Meal
3 cups Alfalfa Meal
3/4 cup Epsom Salt
1 cup Dolomite Lime
2 cups Azomite
2 TBS powdered Humic Acid

I don't have and I can not find an Oyster shell and kelp meal, but it's not sou much of importance I hope...

I wonder whether if this kind of mixture will be too strong for autos
The strains are:
Dark Devil and Devil XL from "Sweet Seeds" Valencia, Spain.

aridbud · 05-27-2017, 07:21 PM

If it were me, I'd cut the "meals" portions by 1/3...you can always top dress. You don't want soil so hot, it burns autos. They can be stunted or stressed if too "hot"/rich of additives.

cuba · 05-27-2017, 07:30 PM

Thank's man! I thought something like that would be better... This is my first attempt to make super soil, so It's not the best idea to be too much confident you know...

Cheers!

cuba · 05-27-2017, 07:55 PM

And what about acids and bat guano? is it too much of it in the recipe I post?

aridbud · 05-27-2017, 10:12 PM

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228020
or this one:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53792

cuba · 05-27-2017, 11:39 PM

Wow man! thank's for the shortcuts. Now I have something to read before bed

It helps a lot!

Mr Jay · 05-28-2017, 05:20 PM

I would make a "Plug" of light soil to plant the auto in. When I use autos in super soil I will fill the bottom of the pot with super soil, then place a one or 1/2 gallon pot in the soil and fill around it. I then pull the pot out and put some regular out of the bag potting soil in the hole. Plant into that and it will give the young auto time to stretch it's legs before hitting the super soil.

Mr Jay · 05-28-2017, 05:22 PM

The recipe you posted would benefit from putting in ten times as much dolomite.

I put dolomite in my breakfast cereal.

aridbud · 05-28-2017, 06:42 PM

Dolomite lime fertilizer is certainly used in organic gardening. It is not inherently bad, but how it is used in the garden is often detrimental.

About pH.....the belief is that minerals in your soil are continuously being leached by rain or watering (when in containers) and consequently your soil is always moving towards more acidic.

Dolomite limestone is used to counteract this, to “sweeten” the soil. It can do that, but that doesn’t mean it’s good.

Minerals may or may not be leaching from your soil. If your soil is low in organic matter, which is often the case, it probably can’t hold onto minerals very well

Chemical fertilizers can cause a lot of acidity, so if you use them, that is part of the problem, too.

Whatever the cause, dolomite lime fertilizer is not the answer. Let’s look at why garden lime is probably not what you want.

The main point I want to make is that even if minerals are leaching from your soil, it doesn’t make sense to blindly go back adding just two of them (the calcium and magnesium in dolomitic lime) without knowing you need them.

Many biological and organic soil consultants would say your soil needs a calcium to magnesium ratio of somewhere between 7:1 (sandier soils) and 10:1 (clayier soils). Outside of this range, your soil will often have drainage problems, your plants will often have health problems and insect and disease problems, and you will have weed problems.

One of your most important goals in the garden is to add specific mineral fertilizers to move the calcium to magnesium ratio towards this range.

The problem with dolomite lime? It has a calcium to magnesium ratio of 2:1. That’s way too much magnesium for most soils. Magnesium is certainly an essential mineral. Too much of it, however, causes many problems, compacting soil, pest and weed problems.

You should only use garden lime when you have a soil test showing a huge deficiency of magnesium in your soil.

Even then, calcium carbonate (calcitic lime) is generally the way to go because it has a small amount of magnesium and often a calcium to magnesium ratio of about 6:1, with a calcium content of 30% to 40% or more.

Instead of dolomitic lime, I use calcium carbonate regularly added, but even then, only when I need it. Adding fertilizers based on the results of soil pH kits just doesn’t make any sense.

Opt for less additives and watch how your plant(s) respond. You can correct/add as needed. Too much, your plants can burn and many of the materials you listed cannot be purged quickly.

cuba · 05-28-2017, 07:32 PM

That's why I asked to clarify specifically for autos because all the recipes including sub cull's super soil are for photoperiodic plants.
Must agree with Aridbud about lime, but I very much like the idea for potting in your first post-Mr Jay.
P.S. Last time I eat lime was when I was about 2-3 years old! Don't put it in your breakfast man!

05-27-2017, 06:35 PM	#1
cuba Newbie Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 14	Autoflowering in Supersoil advice and help please! Hello to everyone I need advice from more experienced growers, please! I am preparing my own mix of super soil from my own compost that I made from last year to this year, and Pindstrup from Holland. It is kind of root compost... It will contain: Fish meal Bone meal Blood meal Epsom salt Humic and fulvic acid Azomite Alfalfa Bat guano Worm casting Lime Mycorrhizae Perlite this is some of the recipes that I found https://www.growweedeasy.com/organic-super-soil https://www.monstergardens.com/SuperSoil Recipe: 8 - 1.5 cubic ft bags of high quality base soil 1 33lb. bag of Worm Castings 2.5 lbs. Fish Bone Meal 5 lbs. High Phosphorus Bat Guano 5 lbs. Blood Meal 2.5 lbs. Bone Meal 3 cups. Oyster Shell 3 cups. Kelp Meal 3 cups Alfalfa Meal 3/4 cup Epsom Salt 1 cup Dolomite Lime 2 cups Azomite 2 TBS powdered Humic Acid I don't have and I can not find an Oyster shell and kelp meal, but it's not sou much of importance I hope... I wonder whether if this kind of mixture will be too strong for autos The strains are: Dark Devil and Devil XL from "Sweet Seeds" Valencia, Spain.
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05-27-2017, 07:21 PM	#2
aridbud automeister Join Date: May 2013 Location: the best place on earth Posts: 5,589	If it were me, I'd cut the "meals" portions by 1/3...you can always top dress. You don't want soil so hot, it burns autos. They can be stunted or stressed if too "hot"/rich of additives. __________________ Seeds have the power to preserve species, to enhance cultural as well as genetic diversity, to counter economic monopoly and to check the advance of conformity on all its many fronts. Michael Pollan Happiness held is the seed; Happiness shared is the flower. John Harrigan Instant gratification takes too long. Carrie Fisher - RIP. *afterthought autos* We are passionate breeders of unique quality cannabis autoflower hybrid seeds at down to earth prices; now 11 years running! https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65770
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05-27-2017, 07:30 PM	#3
cuba Newbie Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 14	Thank's man! I thought something like that would be better... This is my first attempt to make super soil, so It's not the best idea to be too much confident you know... Cheers!
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05-27-2017, 07:55 PM	#4
cuba Newbie Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 14	And what about acids and bat guano? is it too much of it in the recipe I post?
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05-27-2017, 10:12 PM	#5
aridbud automeister Join Date: May 2013 Location: the best place on earth Posts: 5,589	https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=228020 or this one: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53792 __________________ Seeds have the power to preserve species, to enhance cultural as well as genetic diversity, to counter economic monopoly and to check the advance of conformity on all its many fronts. Michael Pollan Happiness held is the seed; Happiness shared is the flower. John Harrigan Instant gratification takes too long. Carrie Fisher - RIP. *afterthought autos* We are passionate breeders of unique quality cannabis autoflower hybrid seeds at down to earth prices; now 11 years running! https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65770
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05-27-2017, 11:39 PM	#6
cuba Newbie Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 14	Wow man! thank's for the shortcuts. Now I have something to read before bed It helps a lot!
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05-28-2017, 05:20 PM	#7
Mr Jay Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cascadia Posts: 361	I would make a "Plug" of light soil to plant the auto in. When I use autos in super soil I will fill the bottom of the pot with super soil, then place a one or 1/2 gallon pot in the soil and fill around it. I then pull the pot out and put some regular out of the bag potting soil in the hole. Plant into that and it will give the young auto time to stretch it's legs before hitting the super soil.
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05-28-2017, 05:22 PM	#8
Mr Jay Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Cascadia Posts: 361	The recipe you posted would benefit from putting in ten times as much dolomite. I put dolomite in my breakfast cereal.
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05-28-2017, 06:42 PM	#9
aridbud automeister Join Date: May 2013 Location: the best place on earth Posts: 5,589	Dolomite lime fertilizer is certainly used in organic gardening. It is not inherently bad, but how it is used in the garden is often detrimental. About pH.....the belief is that minerals in your soil are continuously being leached by rain or watering (when in containers) and consequently your soil is always moving towards more acidic. Dolomite limestone is used to counteract this, to “sweeten” the soil. It can do that, but that doesn’t mean it’s good. Minerals may or may not be leaching from your soil. If your soil is low in organic matter, which is often the case, it probably can’t hold onto minerals very well Chemical fertilizers can cause a lot of acidity, so if you use them, that is part of the problem, too. Whatever the cause, dolomite lime fertilizer is not the answer. Let’s look at why garden lime is probably not what you want. The main point I want to make is that even if minerals are leaching from your soil, it doesn’t make sense to blindly go back adding just two of them (the calcium and magnesium in dolomitic lime) without knowing you need them. Many biological and organic soil consultants would say your soil needs a calcium to magnesium ratio of somewhere between 7:1 (sandier soils) and 10:1 (clayier soils). Outside of this range, your soil will often have drainage problems, your plants will often have health problems and insect and disease problems, and you will have weed problems. One of your most important goals in the garden is to add specific mineral fertilizers to move the calcium to magnesium ratio towards this range. The problem with dolomite lime? It has a calcium to magnesium ratio of 2:1. That’s way too much magnesium for most soils. Magnesium is certainly an essential mineral. Too much of it, however, causes many problems, compacting soil, pest and weed problems. You should only use garden lime when you have a soil test showing a huge deficiency of magnesium in your soil. Even then, calcium carbonate (calcitic lime) is generally the way to go because it has a small amount of magnesium and often a calcium to magnesium ratio of about 6:1, with a calcium content of 30% to 40% or more. Instead of dolomitic lime, I use calcium carbonate regularly added, but even then, only when I need it. Adding fertilizers based on the results of soil pH kits just doesn’t make any sense. Opt for less additives and watch how your plant(s) respond. You can correct/add as needed. Too much, your plants can burn and many of the materials you listed cannot be purged quickly. __________________ Seeds have the power to preserve species, to enhance cultural as well as genetic diversity, to counter economic monopoly and to check the advance of conformity on all its many fronts. Michael Pollan Happiness held is the seed; Happiness shared is the flower. John Harrigan Instant gratification takes too long. Carrie Fisher - RIP. *afterthought autos* We are passionate breeders of unique quality cannabis autoflower hybrid seeds at down to earth prices; now 11 years running! https://www.icmag.com/ic/forumdisplay.php?f=65770
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05-28-2017, 07:32 PM	#10
cuba Newbie Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 14	That's why I asked to clarify specifically for autos because all the recipes including sub cull's super soil are for photoperiodic plants. Must agree with Aridbud about lime, but I very much like the idea for potting in your first post-Mr Jay. P.S. Last time I eat lime was when I was about 2-3 years old! Don't put it in your breakfast man!
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