WRONG PICS K1 seeds from French Touch Breeder - Seedsman - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

Mustafunk · 05-26-2017, 01:20 PM

A friend of mine just told me that Seedsman was featuring our pictures at their website, I was pretty amazed about it and suggested it may be a mistake, but after checking that for myself I've realized that not only my pics were stolen, but also some pics from my friend Truhan, for advertising the

https://www.seedsman.com/en/k1-kalit...re=seedsman_es

Since I've realized about the FTS watermarks over my pics I've also double checked on French Touch Seeds own website to make sure about who was the one actually stealing and using those pics without permission, to my surprise FTS weren't even using them there... so that made clear it was Seedsman the ultimate responsible of that unauthorized use. I think the con move wasn't really worth it IMHO.

Neither Truhan or myself were asked for permission to use any of our pictures commercially or for advertising, and given the fact that Seedsman is not actually an NGO but a big company making lots of money, it should have had more consideration for other people's work and long tiem members of the community they recently became part of.

Actually I'm sure that if Seedsman would have asked about using the pics before, both Truhan and myself could have reached a friendly agreement with them, without any problem at all. But this is not the way to deal with it.

Next time I won't post anything online but directly speak with a lawyer and sue Seedsman for that reason, making sure they pay for the copyright infringement costs and full commercial use and image licensing for the given pictures, given the fact that I work as a photographer and I know a bit of my rights, copyright wise.

Worst thing wasn't the picture thievery itself, but the fact that Seedsman is actually using the wrong pics, since my pics came from a different cultivar that has nothing to do with the seeds they are selling, so it's actually misleading for customers as well.

In my opinion this also makes clear the fact that Seedsman used fake pictures blatantly and took the time to look for the right images that matched or looked similar enough to the K1 strain in order to advertising their seeds at their website.

This was the case of my Zamal keeper pictures:

Which actually looked similar to the ones that were nicked from my good fella Truhan as well:

Definitely not a good start for Seedsman on the ICMAG community IMHO.

P.S: Always use watermarks!

Regards.

pangolin · 05-26-2017, 01:36 PM

Very bad form.

I have experienced this too from a 'respected' company, not even sure why as my pictures are generally lousy.

The internet is open season on everything unfortunately.

944s2 · 05-26-2017, 02:25 PM

Hey mustafunk,,,
understand your frustration and anger but i have always found Seedsman to be " stand up" guys and first bought there beans back in 2002,,,,,
i would like to think it may have been a mistake and i have no ulterior motives in writing this as unlike a number of other uk breeders they are not in our "circle" of mates,,,,,s2

Weird · 05-26-2017, 02:30 PM

if they where posted here in his forum it may be assumed he gets to use them for advertisement

OldPhart · 05-26-2017, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 944s2

i would like to think it may have been a mistake and i have no ulterior motives in writing this as unlike a number of other uk breeders they are not in our "circle" of mates,,,,,s2

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Originally Posted by Weird

if they where posted here in his forum it may be assumed he gets to use them for advertisement

LOL .. Can we can the political correctness for a F'n second..... It wasn't a mistake, get real! Let me guess, the mouse just happened to right click/save as, all by accident. I can't tell you the number of times that has happened to me; oh wait I can, NEVER. They took the pics, because they wanted to.

OakyJoe · 05-26-2017, 03:00 PM

Any Statement from the Seedsman dudes to this?

StRa · 05-26-2017, 03:20 PM

hey Musta sorry for that....I've asked J Trich to check what happened here!

I hope this is just a mistake!

944s2 · 05-26-2017, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldPhart

LOL .. Can we can the political correctness for a F'n second..... It wasn't a mistake, get real! Let me guess, the mouse just happened to right click/save as, all by accident. I can't tell you the number of times that has happened to me; oh wait I can, NEVER. They took the pics, because they wanted to.

Bollocks to you! hows that for political correctness lol,lol

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Originally Posted by StRa

hey Musta sorry for that....I've asked J Trich to check what happened here!

I hope this is just a mistake!

Weird · 05-26-2017, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldPhart

LOL .. Can we can the political correctness for a F'n second..... It wasn't a mistake, get real! Let me guess, the mouse just happened to right click/save as, all by accident. I can't tell you the number of times that has happened to me; oh wait I can, NEVER. They took the pics, because they wanted to.

so it isn't in Icmag's user agreement somewhere that those pictures are no longer those of the users? fwiu icmag owns them once you up them

unless your selling your pictures why does it matter

OldPhart · 05-26-2017, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 944s2

Bollocks to you! hows that for political correctness lol,lol

That's it, it's on now.

For the record, I don't give a crap that someone selling seeds stole some images from a public forum. I had my images taken back in the day, and used on a much more commercial website than some seed seller. I got a kick out of it, and considered it bragging rights.

05-26-2017, 01:20 PM	#1
Mustafunk Heirloom Grower Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 42N Posts: 1,434	WRONG PICS K1 seeds from French Touch Breeder A friend of mine just told me that Seedsman was featuring our pictures at their website, I was pretty amazed about it and suggested it may be a mistake, but after checking that for myself I've realized that not only my pics were stolen, but also some pics from my friend Truhan, for advertising the https://www.seedsman.com/en/k1-kalit...re=seedsman_es Since I've realized about the FTS watermarks over my pics I've also double checked on French Touch Seeds own website to make sure about who was the one actually stealing and using those pics without permission, to my surprise FTS weren't even using them there... so that made clear it was Seedsman the ultimate responsible of that unauthorized use. I think the con move wasn't really worth it IMHO. Neither Truhan or myself were asked for permission to use any of our pictures commercially or for advertising, and given the fact that Seedsman is not actually an NGO but a big company making lots of money, it should have had more consideration for other people's work and long tiem members of the community they recently became part of. Actually I'm sure that if Seedsman would have asked about using the pics before, both Truhan and myself could have reached a friendly agreement with them, without any problem at all. But this is not the way to deal with it. Next time I won't post anything online but directly speak with a lawyer and sue Seedsman for that reason, making sure they pay for the copyright infringement costs and full commercial use and image licensing for the given pictures, given the fact that I work as a photographer and I know a bit of my rights, copyright wise. Worst thing wasn't the picture thievery itself, but the fact that Seedsman is actually using the wrong pics, since my pics came from a different cultivar that has nothing to do with the seeds they are selling, so it's actually misleading for customers as well. In my opinion this also makes clear the fact that Seedsman used fake pictures blatantly and took the time to look for the right images that matched or looked similar enough to the K1 strain in order to advertising their seeds at their website. This was the case of my Zamal keeper pictures: Which actually looked similar to the ones that were nicked from my good fella Truhan as well: Definitely not a good start for Seedsman on the ICMAG community IMHO. P.S: Always use watermarks! Regards. Last edited by J TricH; 05-26-2017 at 10:24 PM.. Reason: MISLEADING TITLE
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05-26-2017, 02:25 PM	#3
944s2 Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: greater london/essex,uk Posts: 4,458	Hey mustafunk,,, understand your frustration and anger but i have always found Seedsman to be " stand up" guys and first bought there beans back in 2002,,,,, i would like to think it may have been a mistake and i have no ulterior motives in writing this as unlike a number of other uk breeders they are not in our "circle" of mates,,,,,s2
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05-26-2017, 03:00 PM	#6
OakyJoe OGJoe Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: No sun, where I'm from it's always overcast Posts: 2,471	Any Statement from the Seedsman dudes to this? __________________ Das maximale Volumen subterraner Agrarprodukte ist reziprok proportional zur intellektuellen Kapazität des Produzenten Life is better than you can even imagine. Life is everything. Life is love. I'm free from your spell Oh I'm free, free, free now I'm free from your spell And now that it's all over All I can do is wish you well Plants require 18 essential nutrients to grow and survive, classified by their importance into macronutrients (C, H, O, N, P, K, Ca, Mg, S) and micronutrients (B, Cu, Fe, Mn, Zn, Mo, Cl, Co, Ni). Study Tip! Nutrients may be mobile or immobile in the plant and in the soil, which influences redistribution of nutrients and display of deficiency symptoms, and the fertilization of crops. Nutrient demands change throughout the life of the plant, in general increasing during vegetative growth but decreasing during reproductive development.

05-26-2017, 01:36 PM	#2
pangolin Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: whirling hall of knives Posts: 239	Very bad form. I have experienced this too from a 'respected' company, not even sure why as my pictures are generally lousy. The internet is open season on everything unfortunately.

05-26-2017, 03:20 PM	#7
StRa Señor Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: utopia Posts: 2,392	hey Musta sorry for that....I've asked J Trich to check what happened here! I hope this is just a mistake!