[OldPhart]

I can't help but wonder how much weed is really needed? Everyone and their brother is running out and setting up all these massive grows, who is going to smoke all that weed? Given the demand/supply equation, how long will it be before tobacco is more expensive than weed? Long ago I was stressing on how I was going to move a harvest, and an old hippy friend just looked at me like I was nuts, and said "few drugs go unsold". There has never been a more true statement; but I can see a day coming in the near future where there will be more weed laying around than everyone can possibly smoke. Maybe we can get the DEA to start exporting instead of importing? Hell, maybe trade it for coke and opium.... LOL

[idiit]

I think so too. maybe not today, but......

[Lester Beans]

Problem is, there is literally tons of weed but real top shelf bud is harder and harder to find.

[rolandomota]

It might be abundant in places where its legal but theirs still 42 illegal or med only states. I guess the "overproduction" means more hash and rock bottom prices where its legal and larger black markets where its illegal. Pounds of Mexican brickweed are 300 around 20 an ounce and sell for 40 50 max in border cities with mexico do you think domestic grown will ever be that price? Maybe in the legal states when buying in bulk but not the behind the times stubborn states that wont legalize theirs always going to be 20$ a gram of bud dealers where supply is low. Thats what happenes in texas you get an ounce for 250 280 about 10 a gram and you have to sell it for 20 or skimp the grams to .6 if your a real asshole. Fuck that 20$ oz mex brick for the win

[OldPhart]

Originally Posted by Lester Beans

Problem is, there is literally tons of weed but real top shelf bud is harder and harder to find.

I agree. What bothers me more than the quality though, is what have the cash croppers dumped on their crop to protect their investment. If my sole objective was to make $$ and I had a butt load of money invested, I would be doing preemptive pest control spraying myself. As for me, I don't really care about the market, just more of an observation. I'm content to sit at home and smoke what I grow, because I know exactly how it has been grown and handled.

[OldPhart]

Originally Posted by rolandomota

It might be abundant in places where its legal but theirs still 42 illegal or med only states. I guess the "overproduction" means more hash and rock bottom prices where its legal and larger black markets where its illegal. Pounds of Mexican brickweed are 300 around 20 an ounce and sell for 40 50 max in border cities with mexico do you think domestic grown will ever be that price? Maybe in the legal states when buying in bulk but not the behind the times stubborn states that wont legalize theirs always going to be 20$ a gram of bud dealers where supply is low. Thats what happenes in texas you get an ounce for 250 280 about 10 a gram and you have to sell it for 20 or skimp the grams to .6 if your a real asshole. Fuck that 20$ oz mex brick for the win

I bet it will get much better in the near future. I know KS quality has gone up since CO went legal, and price has gone down. As more legal states come online, I bet the overflow will make it around the country. I'm in MA, and it is nuts right now up here. There are a LOT of people going to the 'weed university' that has been setup. Then they are setting up massive grow rooms. Keep in mind these folks have no idea how they are going to move the product, they just want in on the 'industry'. All that weed is going to go somewhere.

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Originally Posted by OldPhart

I can't help but wonder how much weed is really needed? Everyone and their brother is running out and setting up all these massive grows, who is going to smoke all that weed? Given the demand/supply equation, how long will it be before tobacco is more expensive than weed? Long ago I was stressing on how I was going to move a harvest, and an old hippy friend just looked at me like I was nuts, and said "few drugs go unsold". There has never been a more true statement; but I can see a day coming in the near future where there will be more weed laying around than everyone can possibly smoke. Maybe we can get the DEA to start exporting instead of importing? Hell, maybe trade it for coke and opium.... LOL

Originally Posted by rolandomota

It might be abundant in places where its legal but theirs still 42 illegal or med only states. I guess the "overproduction" means more hash and rock bottom prices where its legal and larger black markets where its illegal. Pounds of Mexican brickweed are 300 around 20 an ounce and sell for 40 50 max in border cities with mexico do you think domestic grown will ever be that price? Maybe in the legal states when buying in bulk but not the behind the times stubborn states that wont legalize theirs always going to be 20$ a gram of bud dealers where supply is low. Thats what happenes in texas you get an ounce for 250 280 about 10 a gram and you have to sell it for 20 or skimp the grams to .6 if your a real asshole. Fuck that 20$ oz mex brick for the win

Originally Posted by OldPhart

I bet it will get much better in the near future. I know KS quality has gone up since CO went legal, and price has gone down. As more legal states come online, I bet the overflow will make it around the country. I'm in MA, and it is nuts right now up here. There are a LOT of people going to the 'weed university' that has been setup. Then they are setting up massive grow rooms. Keep in mind these folks have no idea how they are going to move the product, they just want in on the 'industry'. All that weed is going to go somewhere.

It's already saturated in places. In areas where it is being grown in abundance there is an oversupply of commercial crap, only a small portion of that actually gets sold in the same area.

Most growers have stashes of previous crops that didn't sell well.

I've seen bust pics of hundreds of pounds of old unsalable crap (some growers just can't seem to dump anything, esp. if trimmed). That's why some are turning that into hash, oil, etc. along with their trim.

Since it takes new growers a few tries to get it right, they usually have trouble selling their first goes.

DEA moves more drugs around than big Pharma...

And I've seen prices drop in California to < $900 a pound for commercial last year. But the new recreational law that comes into effect in January will probably increase demand in Ca significantly.

So there is always room for quality product everywhere. And the good news is there is more of it, but also a lot more commercial to cover demand elsewhere.

Another issue is what happens when the industrial sized grows (tens of thousands of sq ft) multiply and distribute everywhere it's legal?

Will government regulation keep supply under control by limiting grow sizes and number of grows?

I think the real question for many growers who want to succeed is "What differentiates commercial from medical quality marijuana".

That would make a good thread if we don't have one already.

[brown_thumb]

Originally Posted by OldPhart

I can't help but wonder how much weed is really needed? Everyone and their brother is running out and setting up all these massive grows, who is going to smoke all that weed? Given the demand/supply equation, how long will it be before tobacco is more expensive than weed? Long ago I was stressing on how I was going to move a harvest, and an old hippy friend just looked at me like I was nuts, and said "few drugs go unsold". There has never been a more true statement; but I can see a day coming in the near future where there will be more weed laying around than everyone can possibly smoke. Maybe we can get the DEA to start exporting instead of importing? Hell, maybe trade it for coke and opium.... LOL

A neighbor of mine built a lean-to greenhouse for me... nearly useless due to the very limited amount of sun it receives. I supplied the materials and he the labor. I estimate he put in three full days (24 hours) labor. So far, he expected 8 ounces (240 grams) of premium weed which we agreed was worth US$100 per ounce (per 30 grams). This is in an 'illegal' area so that's a very low price for premium strain properly dried and cured weed. It's probably worth 2-3 times that much. He expects another ounce, at least. So... in truth, he wants 9 ounces of $200 per ounce weed for his 24 hours work... that's $1800 worth of weed... that's US$75 per hour... and the damn greenhouse leaks like a sieve. What a 'friend', eh?

The point it is, others will leech off of you.... so you may need 5-10 times what you need for yourself.

Greedy, selfish bastards and thieves... everywhere. Watch your back!!

I'm not selling. I'm just trying to treat my own illnesses. I'm taking all the risks... others just take and take and take.

[Pwyll]

In Colorado the wholesale price of weed went from $1800 to $900. But in Colorado most of the weed is sold at commodity prices whereas I believe in cali there is a bigger market for premium product.

[yesum]

Illegal weed will fall like a rock, has already in California. Legal will be taxed and regulated so much like tobacco that it will most likely never be real cheap.

Places like Oklahoma which may never legalize, I guess it will be a fairly high end product. As more states legalize the overflow will go into the illegal states and drive down prices.

Sam Skunkman said you can grow outdoor pot for about the same cost as tomatoes. Having grown both I think that pot is harder to do well but I get his point. Boutique pot will always have a small clientele willing to pay more.