[Medfinder]

Originally Posted by OregonBorn

Unfortunately at the sate level, Mj laws vary greatly. Then at the county level, Mj laws vary by the state and the county or city (muni) within that state. In California, any county or city municipality can ban or tax or limit commercial growing and sales of Mj. Not only that, but since Porp 54 ended all commercial medical grows and sales in state, all medical sales will also be banned in any munis that ban commercial sales of Mj. Even though in California the Prop 54 won by a HUGE margin of 80%! So at the muni level in California, you have to vote out your local elected officials in order to effect a change to the local county or city commercial Mj laws. Note that for legal commercial weed growing, processing and sales in California, local jurisdiction is by county or city, and they do not overlap. Meaning that if an incorporated city in Mendocino County wants to ban weed within the city limits, they can, even if the county allows it. The opposite also holds true. If a city in San Bernadino wants to legalize weed, they can, even though the county banned it.

As for large scale Mj operations inviting crime? That is simply not the case. Same with claims that legalizing weed increases the use among youth. In fact, the opposite has happened in Colorado and Oregon where growing and selling weed has been legal, and teen use of weed has declined since it became legal. But in politics, BS statistics always prevails. Similarly, in California, there are liquor stores on every corner and booze is half the price in California as it is in Oregon. In Oregon there are FAR fewer liquor stores. But is crime MORE in California than Oregon because more booze is sold in California and for cheaper? And is alcoholism any lower in Oregon? The answer is no, no and no. Oregon actually has the highest consumption of alcohol of any state per person. But booze is far more expensive, and a lot harder to get in Oregon than in California. Portland also has a 50% higher property crime rate than Los Angeles! Violent crime in the two cities is dead even.

Proposition 54 is a California ballot proposition that passed on the November 8, 2016 ballot. It requires the recording and posting of videos of public meetings of the State Legislature. The measure requires the recordings to be posted on the internet within 24 hours of a meeting, available online for at least 72 hours before a bill can be passed, and downloadable for at least 20 years. The measure also allows members of the public to record meetings.

UHH..prop 64 .


Proposition 64 applies only to adults 21 and older. That expands on existing law that allows cannabis use for medical purposes. ... Medical marijuana patients may still possess the quantities necessary to meet their medical needs, even in excess of the 28.5 gram limit.Nov 7, 2016


BUT...

LICENSES
Last year the state legislature passed breakthrough legislation consisting of three bills: AB 243, AB 266, and SB 643. Collectively known by many as "the act" these three bills provide a comprehensive regulatory framework for licensing commercial cannabis in California.


Cultivation licenses:

Type 1 = Cultivation; Specialty outdoor;
Type 1A = Cultivation; Specialty indoor;
Type 1B = Cultivation; Specialty mixed-light;
Type 1C = Cultivation; Specialty cottage; (AB 2516, 2016)
Type 2 = Cultivation; Outdoor; Small.
Type 2A = Cultivation; Indoor; Small.
Type 2B = Cultivation; Mixed-light; Small.
Type 3 = Cultivation; Outdoor; Medium.
Type 3A = Cultivation; Indoor; Medium.
Type 3B = Cultivation; Mixed-light; Medium.
Type 4 = Cultivation; Nursery.
Type 5 = Cultivation; Unlimited; (Prop. 64, 2016. Not available until 2023)
https://www.calgrowersassociation.org/licenses


BUT... is this changing according to CASH BRIBED POLITICIANS?

[OregonBorn]

Originally Posted by Medfinder

Proposition 54... (snip)

BUT... is this changing according to CASH BRIBED POLITICIANS?

Well, I obviously made a typo here, mistyping 54 instead of 64. SO SORRY!!!! Shall I commit seppuku (ritual suicide) and fall on my sward to make you happy? Hooooawawwww!!!!! Thump.

At any rate, my references to medical going away is in regard to growing, processing and selling ~commercial~ weed, not personal possession limits, or taxes, or personal grows. Which, if you want to nit-pick, you left out the fact that a Cali medical card will also get you point of sales tax free weed from a rec store once they open up. But you will still pay the high excise sales taxes. Also if you grow your own weed in California, there is no limit to the amount of home-grown that you can have at your residence. At least not in the latest laws that I have read. But in general, the medical laws are being shelved in California, with the exception of back-filled laws in case the Feds come down on rec weed and some items regarding possession and sales taxes. Commercial weed in California is all going to rec. Oregon is doing the same lately, and pretty much forcing medical growers into using the OLCC rec systems and phasing out all commercial medical grows and sales as they have existed to this point, save for a break on sales tax and possession limits, age limits for medical users, and home grow limits.

I also do not see it as the politicians being bribed anywhere in California. However, many cities, counties and the state are either flat broke or deep in the red. They see weed as a savior to boost revenue and bail them out. Greed prevails. Also as I saw when I lived in California for many years, politicians are apt to spend 3x the amount of any proposed state, county and city revenue on pork barrel crap, and remain in the red as much as they possibly can. For doing that they are paying back those special interests that 'hired' them by putting up the cash to get them elected in the first place. I suppose you could call it a bribe, but that is how the system works, and pretty much always has.

[soil margin]

Originally Posted by OregonBorn

Greed prevails.

See this doesn't make sense to me. If greed by tax collectors is the main motivation, why are there so many city/county limits on getting permits and limiting how many plants people can grow? It seems like if your primary motivation is collecting as much revenue as possible you shouldn't be capping the number of growers there is and how much they can grow. Maybe these people aren't even smart enough to realize that, I don't know.

[MrsFarmer]

Originally Posted by soil margin

See this doesn't make sense to me. If greed by tax collectors is the main motivation, why are there so many city/county limits on getting permits and limiting how many plants people can grow? It seems like if your primary motivation is collecting as much revenue as possible you shouldn't be capping the number of growers there is and how much they can grow. Maybe these people aren't even smart enough to realize that, I don't know.

That is the question.

Look at the shit show going on in Calaveras. The green rush growers really stepped on some toes, now its chaos out there.

I'm almost glad we're banned in our county, at least they don't have extra LE to crack down! But, it's pretty crappy, since they used to allow 24 plants, now the law is 12 in 100 sq ft outdoor. Yep, 100 sq ft.

[Wendull C.]

We built this shit with jail time, wrecked families and lives, dead pets, humiliation of so called criminals. Now we handed it to the same fucks and have to pay them for the priviledge.

Great job california voters. At least now you can have your shit pen and smoke all yhat myclobutanil in the hot dog sauce. Fucking idiots...

[DEATH BY SNUSNU]

Originally Posted by Wendull C.

We built this shit with jail time, wrecked families and lives, dead pets, humiliation of so called criminals. Now we handed it to the same fucks and have to pay them for the priviledge.

Great job california voters. At least now you can have your shit pen and smoke all yhat myclobutanil in the hot dog sauce. Fucking idiots...

Prop 64, Forever known as the custy law. We all know the average American consumer are zombiez with fat wallets and big cars right? Mmm tobacco juice douche whistle