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blackfin · 08-20-2006, 05:08 AM

sorry, i've been away... last plants were looking embaresing

... and since then been occupied with ground school... i've got a new batch going now though, and am experiencing some probs.,

i think it's potassium def cus there's no kelp in the mix (it's on the way), i have seaweed but can't water yet since they've just been transplanted and watered 5daze ago, although i watered about 100ml last night w/ 1ml floramicro and 2mls florabloom per gallon to see if it would help, cus it has everything... they've been in flower now for 3daze now

the mix is the same base as the last, only this time i only added 1tbls/gal of bone, blood and chicken poo... instead of 2tbls/gal

i'll grab pics tonight after work, there not purty though

later,
bf

blackfin · 08-20-2006, 09:43 AM

here's the pics... i'm also thinking it could be cal/mag def... i didn't put as much lime as last time cus i used less blood meal??? and it's a complete mix out of the bag... i was thinking i only need it to buffer the blood cus it's effect on pH

please help

MandalaMike · 08-22-2006, 02:21 PM

Cmon ICMagers! Share your wisdom.
70 hits and nobody is helping him out??

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i think it's potassium def cus there's no kelp in the mix (it's on the way),

what kind of mix is this anyway? Any info on the mineral contents?

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i have seaweed but can't water yet since they've just been transplanted and watered 5daze ago,

Yes, the bags are very big for their size and you have to be carefull not to overwater.

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although i watered about 100ml last night w/ 1ml floramicro and 2mls florabloom per gallon to see if it would help, cus it has everything... they've been in flower now for 3daze now

First you have to switch back to veg cycle. No point in putting them into flowering looking like this. Also they need to root properly and have little energy to use under 12/12.

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the mix is the same base as the last, only this time i only added 1tbls/gal of bone, blood and chicken poo... instead of 2tbls/gal

The BIG question is what happened to your last grow? How did it turn out? That tells us if this mix is any good in the first place and if the lower dosage of bbc has anything to do with it.

Have you got a pH and EC test at hand?
You should check the pH of the mix to find out if it's blocking uptake of secondary nutes. EC value will tell you if this is a case of nute burn instead.

Mike

blackfin · 08-22-2006, 04:27 PM

thanks Mike here's a like to the thread in the infirmary
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=34092

i didn't know that the chicken manure needed to be composted for a year prior to use

(buddy in chat said it burns his outdoor plants

)....

ah well, i have kelp is on the way and when it gets here i'm transplanting them to new soil... i've always used this mix with great results, but i started experimenting, with chicken manure when i ran out of kelp, that's why last grow i thought i had a Potassium def (cus no kelp)... i usually use 1tbl/gal of bone blood and kelp...

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what kind of mix is this anyway? Any info on the mineral contents?

it's Expert Gardener Potting Soil, it doesn't have much... 0.11-0.04-0.08, i added 1tbl/gal of bone, blood and chicken manure (epsoma)

also switched back to veg 2 days ago

i tossed the soil out, but before i planted them in it the EC .55 and the pH was 6.7, and i water at 6.2-6.5.... the last run came out OK, but i also had chicken manure in it... i think they didn't respond negtively right away cus the plants were bigger, but they did toward the end of flower...

thank you,
bf

blackfin · 08-22-2006, 06:55 PM

i just went to trans a satori to fresh soil with nothing added.... took a sample, of the affected soil, 100ml soil to 100ml distiled water and let it sit for 30-45min

seems as though i have two probs.. pH is 6.1 and the ec 1.46... so should i flush and add some dom lime to bring the pH up? or just trans'em all to new soil

thanks,
bf

edit: the progression of the burns have stopped, maybe they got use to the hot soil?

pics.... they're a little more burt

Speeding Mullet · 08-23-2006, 03:14 PM

I think, and its very much imho, i have an opinion, or theory or something...I can't tell tho cuz i'm so incredibly high of this Kalichakra!

I've forgotten now.....oh yes!

A good source of slow release calcium is egg shells. Just crumble them up and put them on top of your soil, and then when you water, or time the shells release a steady source of calcium. I used it on my chillis and tomatos and the calcium defficiencys basically disapeared.

That took me a while to write!

SM

Oh yeah, I'm editing this post cuz i remembered someting else I had to say:
If you remember the problems my plants came through to get that big, then dude, all i can say is looking at your pictures, I think its gonna work out dandy.

Sleepy · 08-23-2006, 03:42 PM

sorry i am late, blackfin...

its so good to see you again!

looks like pH out of whack from here...

flush with pH adjusted water...lots.

no nutes until they come around...

stabilize your pH after mixing nutes every time. don't give the plants anything that is out of the 6.0-6.5 range.

let the solution stand for a while before feeding if you need to...

best of luck.

blackfin · 08-24-2006, 02:34 AM

thanks for stopping by sleepy and SM... i just went ahead and trans'd to fresh soil without anything added lol, just couldn't wait for the kelp... i'll use lucas formula (1:2 micro to bloom very causeiously) if they need food, i've got 4 rooted Sat5's that are looking lovely, and they'll be grown with the mix 1tbl/gal of bone, blood, and kelp, i should of never started experimenting

....

i'll get pics of the plants in a couple days after they come out of shock... i think i'll only have to veg for a week then flip back to flower, they're only in 2gal pots....

later
bf

blackfin · 08-27-2006, 01:14 AM

here they are, they're still a bit shocked by the trans and light flip...

here's a group shot, the one in far back and center(far back left) is still in the hot soil, it will be replaced, just want to see the extent of burns...

this is satori5 it was trans 2daze before the rest, and the new growth is lookin good

and it can be the base cus here's 4 sat5 in just base with nothing added

here's sat5 mother plant, just took nine cuttings off her, also 2 kali5s and 1 kali4

the four sat5s are going to take the place of the 4 worse off plants, when they get bigger...

later,
bf

MandalaMike · 08-27-2006, 07:40 PM

Ok, had a look at that thread and you got plenty of advice there (plus more than you bargained for..lol).
Certainly any type of manure has to be composted - regardless of the origin (chicken, fish, cow, horse, etc.). The urine in manure totally fries your plants. If you want to do a test to check this out just pee on your plants for a few days.

Repotting in fresh soil is your best move.

The young plants in the potting soil look great. Why don't you just stick to that as it is and give them some mild feedings in between?

Once the new growth get's serious, and they have rooted more, you can flip back to 12/12... or do a gradual transition like 16/8, 15/9, etc. to buy more time for their recovery.

Till later,
Mike

08-20-2006, 05:08 AM	#1
blackfin Cannabis Avenger Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: moon Posts: 342	Satori and Kalichakra con't sorry, i've been away... last plants were looking embaresing ... and since then been occupied with ground school... i've got a new batch going now though, and am experiencing some probs., i think it's potassium def cus there's no kelp in the mix (it's on the way), i have seaweed but can't water yet since they've just been transplanted and watered 5daze ago, although i watered about 100ml last night w/ 1ml floramicro and 2mls florabloom per gallon to see if it would help, cus it has everything... they've been in flower now for 3daze now the mix is the same base as the last, only this time i only added 1tbls/gal of bone, blood and chicken poo... instead of 2tbls/gal i'll grab pics tonight after work, there not purty though later, bf __________________ who is one, to tell another, that they can't do an activity, that isn't harming another OG's GrowFAQ Last edited by blackfin; 08-20-2006 at 05:10 AM..
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08-20-2006, 09:43 AM	#2
blackfin Cannabis Avenger Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: moon Posts: 342	here's the pics... i'm also thinking it could be cal/mag def... i didn't put as much lime as last time cus i used less blood meal??? and it's a complete mix out of the bag... i was thinking i only need it to buffer the blood cus it's effect on pH please help __________________ who is one, to tell another, that they can't do an activity, that isn't harming another OG's GrowFAQ
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08-22-2006, 06:55 PM	#5
blackfin Cannabis Avenger Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: moon Posts: 342	i just went to trans a satori to fresh soil with nothing added.... took a sample, of the affected soil, 100ml soil to 100ml distiled water and let it sit for 30-45min seems as though i have two probs.. pH is 6.1 and the ec 1.46... so should i flush and add some dom lime to bring the pH up? or just trans'em all to new soil thanks, bf edit: the progression of the burns have stopped, maybe they got use to the hot soil? pics.... they're a little more burt __________________ who is one, to tell another, that they can't do an activity, that isn't harming another OG's GrowFAQ Last edited by blackfin; 08-22-2006 at 07:23 PM.. Reason: more info, pics
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08-23-2006, 03:42 PM	#7
Sleepy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Posts: 7,590	sorry i am late, blackfin... its so good to see you again! looks like pH out of whack from here... flush with pH adjusted water...lots. no nutes until they come around... stabilize your pH after mixing nutes every time. don't give the plants anything that is out of the 6.0-6.5 range. let the solution stand for a while before feeding if you need to... best of luck. __________________ Sleepy Test Chemmy Jones Sleepy Tests Jolly Bud from Mountain High Seeds Killer Chem Freebie grow Sleepy Tests OJD...>>>Gangsta Haze *Dead Heads Unite!!* *Come Join Us!!*
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08-24-2006, 02:34 AM	#8
blackfin Cannabis Avenger Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: moon Posts: 342	thanks for stopping by sleepy and SM... i just went ahead and trans'd to fresh soil without anything added lol, just couldn't wait for the kelp... i'll use lucas formula (1:2 micro to bloom very causeiously) if they need food, i've got 4 rooted Sat5's that are looking lovely, and they'll be grown with the mix 1tbl/gal of bone, blood, and kelp, i should of never started experimenting .... i'll get pics of the plants in a couple days after they come out of shock... i think i'll only have to veg for a week then flip back to flower, they're only in 2gal pots.... later bf __________________ who is one, to tell another, that they can't do an activity, that isn't harming another OG's GrowFAQ
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08-27-2006, 01:14 AM	#9
blackfin Cannabis Avenger Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: moon Posts: 342	here they are, they're still a bit shocked by the trans and light flip... here's a group shot, the one in far back and center(far back left) is still in the hot soil, it will be replaced, just want to see the extent of burns... this is satori5 it was trans 2daze before the rest, and the new growth is lookin good and it can be the base cus here's 4 sat5 in just base with nothing added here's sat5 mother plant, just took nine cuttings off her, also 2 kali5s and 1 kali4 the four sat5s are going to take the place of the 4 worse off plants, when they get bigger... later, bf __________________ who is one, to tell another, that they can't do an activity, that isn't harming another OG's GrowFAQ Last edited by blackfin; 08-27-2006 at 01:21 AM..
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08-27-2006, 07:40 PM	#10
MandalaMike Mike Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 736	Ok, had a look at that thread and you got plenty of advice there (plus more than you bargained for..lol). Certainly any type of manure has to be composted - regardless of the origin (chicken, fish, cow, horse, etc.). The urine in manure totally fries your plants. If you want to do a test to check this out just pee on your plants for a few days. Repotting in fresh soil is your best move. The young plants in the potting soil look great. Why don't you just stick to that as it is and give them some mild feedings in between? Once the new growth get's serious, and they have rooted more, you can flip back to 12/12... or do a gradual transition like 16/8, 15/9, etc. to buy more time for their recovery. Till later, Mike __________________ www.mandalaseeds.com
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