[Old Toker]

Originally Posted by Egzoset

Salutations Brown Thumb,
Salutations HazyFontazy,
Salutations Old Toker...

Thank you sir for the great pics and advice. Unfortunately......you are "casting pearls before swine". I'm not nearly smart enough to understand what you are saying.....but I do appreciate the effort!

[Snook]

one other thing... the best reason to vape is no sulfur (match), petroleum (lighter fluid or butane), tar & nicotine...
but the vaping process -if ya suk too hard - gives a residual 'powder' that when inhaled might be worse than the others. There is nothing between your mouth and the bowl. I have been using an in-line gas filter spliced into the hose of the wand between my mouth and the bowl. It catches enough of this stuff to make me worry.. probably should get an ash catcher/water filter..

[Old Toker]

Originally Posted by Snook

but the vaping process -if ya suk too hard - gives a residual 'powder' that when inhaled might be worse than the others.

How hard is "too" hard? Has anyone published any studies on this powder? Definitely doesn't sound too healthy. And if it isn't, I'm OK with edibles.
Thanks for the info!

[Egzoset]

Salutations,

Originally Posted by Snook

This is page 9 and i'd guess by now the OP has bought some kinda vape...

Well i've certainly couldn't but notice that he now owns an Arizer Solo II, then he equally made reference to baking-related matters as left-over material - which spells tar in my book:

That was a 1-week osmosis filtration experiment involving 172 g of "ABV" (e.g. left-over material), where water was replaced with fresh water every day, ensuring every part was submerged and it all rested in a cool dark place. Past the removal of water-solubles some further treatment using alcohol extraction followed if i'm not mistaking. The outcome was a repulsive ½ gram tarball with zero value to me...

Unfortunately, as i recall, i was using my (jumbo) Solo like contraption at the time - which points a finger right at BAKING once again.

Originally Posted by Snook

...as far as portables... ... ...OK if one doesn't expect anywhere near the performance of a desk top...

Even the "performance" of a desktop will fail me, now imagine a portable! Some people think smaller means simpler but the necessary trade-offs makes that just the opposite IMO.

Originally Posted by Snook

...had my most noseworthy friend here and she didn't know I was doing it in the other room...

Lets concur! I was sitting right next to a close relative in the same living room and he was clueless, but that's a smoker...

Originally Posted by Snook

...the best reason to vape is no sulfur (match), petroleum (lighter fluid or butane), tar & nicotine...

There are many ways to "vape" noble molecules. Smoking partly vaporizes, e-Cigs use e-Liquid as their Release/Transport Agent instead of the toxic cigarette mix, while vaporizers divide as sub-groups including the Dry-Baking Overnizers (portable or otherwise), the Self-Moisturizing (and hopefully someday the Auto-Conditioning) type which i've adopted as my last-chance option, then a futuristic process involving the pressurized nebulization of pre-activated compounds...

So to me there's excellent reason to want to eliminate sulfur, petroleum, lighter fluid, tar/cauldron and nicotine, but i must objectively digress on butane because its clean-burning reaction generates distilled super-heated water steam mixed with super-heated carbonic gas which contribute to the heater stream as INLET "specific heat" enhancement. Which makes a significant difference already while i wish "zero impurities" (filtered) butane tanks are eventually replaced by bio-generated butane - without the comet dust - to please purists who believe this is required to begin doing some good in this increasingly elitist "community"... Another possible substitution being electro-magnetic induction heat combined to the Curie effect (for packetization/dosage), using an auxiliary boiler/evaporator holding a droplet or 2 of distilled water...

In any case a simple self-moisturizing pipe is many times cheaper than most table units anyway and nonetheless it has very little competition still today, thanks to purists. Please keep in mind that engineering is no popularity contest nor a religion!

Originally Posted by Snook

...a residual 'powder'...

It may be related to particle size, at least that's how i came to explain my own relief feeling when i flush internal surface irritation by drinking water. Which only makes the double function of INLET SELF-MOISTURIZING even more precious and most especially in a pocket/portable format (that still works when gone deep in wild nature...)!!

So it's not even the concept that is flawed, only our $elf-$erving terrori$t politi¢ians, In The Name Of Children!...

Originally Posted by Snook

...when inhaled might be worse than the others.

My advice would be to focuss on the process instead of making references to its associated power source. A Hammer, Lotus, VapMan, Vaponic and similar strictly ain't equivalent to the VaporGenie concept relying on clean hot butane exhaust gasses mixed with convective heat from a flame's corona - and my moddified version more than ever actually. The 1st type is just as any Dry-Baking Ovenizer, the Supreme too but i like its early de-facto promoting of a more well-defined "bursting" (pulse-mode) without really advertizing its benefits specifically: it's in the design. Today we got the DynaVap at an even lower cost while i noticed the patent mentions liquid, but right now it's going to feel dry just like the others. Possibly the differences that separate them from each other is the particle size, but i found that i could deal with the lack of water even less. Not to mention dry filtration as mine causes particles to stick to moist fibers which increasingly collect more as condensation builds up in my flexible Extension Tubing. Doubling as a self-awareness feature directly reflecting the consumed amount, visually. All this in a tiny simple healty ~100 $ (CAD) device where operator skills combined to the quality of a complement butane lighter + butane gas are no less critical by the way...

Originally Posted by Old Toker

How hard is "too" hard?

It's OKay to ask questions but get prepared for the answers, then the answers on the answers! Etc...

Good day, have fun!!

[Bobby Boucher]

Probably barking up the wrong tree here, but personally, I'm a terp-a-holic. I can't get my jollies off without the full sweet flavor of my meds. I've tried nearly every dry herb vaporizer under the sun and I still get a popcorn flavor, even from the tastiest herbs.

If you aren't super into the flavor and aromas, a dry herb vaporizer is probably the way to go. However, IMO, processing a couple grams of herb to make a little .5 of bho is always worth it.

6" 10mm ID x 14mm OD glass tube + rubber stopper, couple bucks on ebay.
Rubber bands and coffee filters, $.02
Filtered butane for half gram run, $.20 @ 5 bucks a can.
Extra Ball jar, lying around any growers house
Barbed fitting for ball jar, $5
Hand pump to create vacuum in jar, ~ 10 bucks online
14mm Nectar collector (smoking utensil), $11 on dhgate

Essentially the exact same thing. Just a matter of preference. Vaping is vaping. I would think bho has more effect in the aromatherapy department however, due to its undeniably better flavor and smell, and would definitely come out more economical in the end due to the fact that you wont be replacing heads and batteries all the time, providing you go the propane torch route and stay away from the pens.

Whichever way you go, you're gonna save a ton of pot and money. Vaporizing is way more economical than combustion.

[Old Toker]

Originally Posted by Egzoset

Well i've certainly couldn't but notice that he now owns an Arizer Solo II, then he equally made reference to baking-related matters as left-over material - which spells tar in my book

So far the only baked goods that I've made were with Malawi decarbed in the oven. That was pre-vape days. Since I've gotten the Solo II...I have attempted to discern whether there is any/enough THC left in the "browns" (ABV) to justify keeping and either eating...or making cannabutter with. I'm going to count your vote as a "NO" as to whether it's worth keeping.... because it's full of unhealthy sh*t. Clearly an important consideration.
Thank you for the information.

[Egzoset]

Hi again Old Toker,

Originally Posted by Old Toker

Since I've gotten the Solo II...I have attempted to discern whether there is any/enough THC left in the "browns" (ABV) to justify keeping and either eating...or making cannabutter with. I'm going to count your vote as a "NO" as to whether it's worth keeping...

A repulsive tarball scheduled to be re-vaped ain't the same as an edible based on some oil infusion without much of the taste and/or ashtray smell. Yet it's quite true i didn't even want to consider that scenario neither, indeed because of the unwanted concentrating effect, etc.

In days when i was a fresh newbie with little confidence i managed somehow to get some extract that looked like the condensed "honey" substance in that Solo glass tube below:

There's no doubt in my mind dry flowers can't respond alone to every existing need.

Anyway my dry flower nuggets looked thoroughly toasted/depleted after these finally came out of my simili "jumbo" Solo... Evidently the vegetal substrate had been subjected to EXTENSIVE heating beyond what's actually useful for any vaporist device!

And yet as a result of multiple factors it often came to feel as if i was chasing a ghost...

Good day, have fun.

[Old Toker]

Originally Posted by Bobby Boucher

Whichever way you go, you're gonna save a ton of pot and money. Vaporizing is way more economical than combustion.

Thank you sir.
I have noticed the same amount of product does seem to go further in a vape than combustion. While I am NOT too old to go through the necessary steps for BHO...I am too lazy. Vaping with the Solo II is just so easy. I don't even grind my material. Turn on vape. Press a piece of flower into the stem. Insert stem. Wait a few seconds and inhale. So simple even an Old Toker can do it.
Combined with some edibles.....and I think my needs are fulfilled.
Thanks again....I do appreciate the advice.

[Bobby Boucher]

Not gonna lie, it is pretty time consuming stuffing tiny little tubes and hand pumping a purger.. A half hour of blasting usually sees me through an entire week of non-stop vaping though, so not too bad.

Different strokes for different folks.

[Old Toker]

Originally Posted by Bobby Boucher

Different strokes for different folks.

Absolutely. Find what works for you....and then stroke it.