[vajra]

Hi Chimerians,

First of all, I appreciate the generosity you have given to questions like this in the past. I HAVE read widely on IC and beyond on this topic, but I need a little more down to earth understanding.

Here is my curiosity: I am really interested in the Blueberry Lines from Chimera. I have grown Mental Floss, Sweetest Sativa, GFxBB, Fighting Buddha, and Schnazzleberry 2. I have made seeds from them all, crossing male to female within each line.

I know these are loosely referred to as "F2" and often knowledgeable people point out that they are only F2 if the parents are stable breeding and so forth. I really don't know what to call my seeds. But I do know this:

I want to understand what I am looking at in the second generation, and how this will differ if i make seeds from the second generation and then grow out the third generation.

If I have some F2s made from Sweetest Sativa, and I grow them out, am I looking at some plants that are primarily Blueberry and some that are primarily Sweet Skunk? What if I then grow out F3s?

Are there specific reasons to sort through F2 and F3 generations besides for further breeding projects? I mean, are there often special plants to seek that will only show up in next generations of a breeder's pack? I don't want to breed plants, I want to smoke them!

I am becoming interested in the Blueberry line, because my Fighting Buddha plants smell exactly like blueberry muffins, which is something I have heard about DJs Blueberry. I am wondering if I could pull some Blueberry dominant plants from Chimera's gear, or if I really should get some Blueberry seeds from somewhere.

Thanks for the help!

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Originally Posted by vajra

Hi Chimerians,

First of all, I appreciate the generosity you have given to questions like this in the past. I HAVE read widely on IC and beyond on this topic, but I need a little more down to earth understanding.

Here is my curiosity: I am really interested in the Blueberry Lines from Chimera. I have grown Mental Floss, Sweetest Sativa, GFxBB, Fighting Buddha, and Schnazzleberry 2. I have made seeds from them all, crossing male to female within each line.

I know these are loosely referred to as "F2" and often knowledgeable people point out that they are only F2 if the parents are stable breeding and so forth. I really don't know what to call my seeds. But I do know this:

I want to understand what I am looking at in the second generation, and how this will differ if i make seeds from the second generation and then grow out the third generation.

If I have some F2s made from Sweetest Sativa, and I grow them out, am I looking at some plants that are primarily Blueberry and some that are primarily Sweet Skunk? What if I then grow out F3s?

Are there specific reasons to sort through F2 and F3 generations besides for further breeding projects? I mean, are there often special plants to seek that will only show up in next generations of a breeder's pack? I don't want to breed plants, I want to smoke them!

I am becoming interested in the Blueberry line, because my Fighting Buddha plants smell exactly like blueberry muffins, which is something I have heard about DJs Blueberry. I am wondering if I could pull some Blueberry dominant plants from Chimera's gear, or if I really should get some Blueberry seeds from somewhere.

Thanks for the help!

These questions are asked constantly and especially to people who know how to answer, but are probably way too fucking busy too. I got a few so I will try to help you and others out. I know you say you don't want to breed just smoke, but I will include some of the latter for those that do.
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He has tons of awesome posts just search his name. Him and Tom Hill have some amazing threads on here. Check shantibaba and few others with varying/opposing views so you have an all encompassing view of theory and craft.

For basic literature: Robert Connell Clarke for beginners and Robert W. Allard for the serious.


Most of his beans are straight F1's If I remember correctly (based on the ones you listed). F2 and F3 will show the most variation as a general rule. Phenos will pop up that are more inclined to be recessive. To be honest I don't see a point in taking most of Chims lines any further...Why throw out all the awesome phenos he kept in there for you? Sure could you tailor it to personal preference? Yes. I say keep your F2's and pop 20 seeds now and again and leave it at that. Or better yet buy fresh stock and have an awesome treasure chest to rummage through.

By the way I had an amazing fighting buddha pheno that was straight sprite blueberry pheno with the most soaring clear adrenaline junkie high. It was right up there with the best sativa's and haze I have ever smoked.

[Limeygreen]

I suggest to do open pollination to keep diversity first, then when less variation is observed in later generations like f3 or f4 segregate into separate lines that you like using as many individuals as you are able to. Keeping these lines separate will allow you to later recombine different lines to either start again and purify (for lack of a better word) to the original lines you liked or line breed to improve vigour but then you start to loose what you had as genetic degradation sets in. Weed out anything you find undesirable but try to keep things that hold value, structure, smell, resin, potency, (yield if you want) effect, less prone to stress or diseases if you can screen for that. I am not a breeder but that is my opinion anyways.

[R.A.W]

You're asking a seller of seeds to educate you on how to breed seeds of his inital work ?

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Originally Posted by R.A.W

You're asking a seller of seeds to educate you on how to breed seeds of his inital work ?

1. He said just for smoke and that he has no interest in really breeding.

2. No mention of retail at all.

3. Chimera has already won the fight against any threat of someone copying by being original. He is the key master and the key holder. Others can attempt to impersonate, but that is all that they can do. It is a war of attrition for sure, but the house always wins unless they fold (i.e. fail to protect their brand and market sufficiently).

[R.A.W]

40 Amps read the title i.e educate me. It implies; do the work for me. Taking a passive role so other can educate you, do the work for you. I would've expected a title more humble title maybe the like of : "Any tips for breeding ? " in the Breeder's Laboratory herer at ICMAG. 40AMP most people like yourself educated themselves by reading and actively searching for the information to draw the best strategy for breeding. But then again I'm ahead of myself now... I was surprised by the title and got curious and asked the op a question for clarification instead of guessing and drawing conclusions.

[40AmpstoFreedom]

Just saying I understand how he could be taken, but don't think he did anything wrong by asking.

[GainGreene]

Let's not act like ANY breeder didn't get their gear from some place else. Sure tweaked it, mastered it, but the idea is to share the genetics and build/save the strains. Hats of to the OP that's been registered for 7 years doing the research and seeking the advise in an straight forward honest humble approach. I too would like to hear what others have to say.

[Gr33nSanta]

Originally Posted by R.A.W

You're asking a seller of seeds to educate you on how to breed seeds of his inital work ?

so fucking what? you pay the breeders for the god damn seeds and you do whatever you want with them. This shit makes me laugh. As if DJ short created the blueberry terpene profile right? it did not exist before. Guess what, good breeders will sell their seeds, no matter what.

[Gr33nSanta]

from what I have found is that it seems to be better to cube, to your original favorite mom, until you get to F3s. Any males you use from this line will be somewhat stable to use on any of your favorite females in the garden. Making F1s with a stable male really helps predict the outcome. I have found that even with very poly hybrid varities, the moms almost always shines through the siblings when the male was stable. Could be wrong.

One thing I have noticed is that even when I think a mom is so poly hybridized, mom is still mom and 50% of direct siblings will be a lot like her ... but when you take to F2 is when you see huge diversity in the progeny. That is why I now think it s probably better to cube if you are gonna try to stabilize anything, not to create a seedline to sell but to create a seedline to breed with, to eventually create F1s to sell, if that what you are trying to do.

BTW, I m far from professional, I am playing the lottery, looking for those wicked special phenos..