[CrushnYuba]

I can't find anything on this. When do you start clones for big outdoor plants? What size containers do you do your preveg in? What's your routine?

This is more for clones then seed. And for norcal. It seems like clones started to early run out of steam and don't do as well as healthy well rooted small clones put out June 1st. Time and time again I see small clones passing by big clones veged for months. The guys I know putting out babies are getting bigger plants then the guys veging forever. But then every once in a while you just nail the transition and get a big plant veged in a big 20g+ container and it just blows up when put out June 1st.
I have heard various theories one why small clones do better. They never reach sides of pots and their roots just grow straight out. They have less transplant shock. Yada yada.
What is your perfect routine and when do you start your clones for outdoor. This really doesn't apply as much for seed.

[throwawayLOL]

We've never really been able to nail the timing w clones so this year I'm going from seed.

[CrushnYuba]

Seeds are definitely easier with timing but last year my pheno variation was to much.

[Wolfshadoe]

CY..

There is a art to this method.. I been doing it for years.
In my sig is a link to thread over a decade old that will give you some insight.
Moon phases,equiknox ,solstice ect do have effect. This does apply to clones only..

June is solstice month..Not sure y area,but soil temp changes from may to june in most areas..Soil temp matters when it comes to ROOT sytem outside,

Pants that are planted sooner do struggle abit bc of soil temps..When a nice healthy clone
planted later at right soil temp hard to slow down and will pass other plants that's been there longer..

I fixed my problem long ago by letting the ones struggle finnish EARLY.Leave just a bottom branch and watch it get really/ugly weird growth thru june and eventually reveg and start to regrow and some even pass the ones that passed them. These pots are all 1 gal pots planted right in ground and roots grow out holes in bottom..
Ps..Gotta run... Will chek bak later..
Good luck
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[theJointedOne]

I take clones off my own mothers for outdoor full term gardens around the first of April.

After it takes about 10 days to root they are transplanted to one gallon containers and vegged inside under a 1000w bulb for 10 days.

On April 20th I transplant them into 3 gallon containers in a simple hoophouse outside which is setup with supplemental lighting to interrupt dark cycle.

On May 7th I transplant the 3gallon containers into the plants full time home in the ground under the sun and a supplemental lighting setup.

Last year I averaged about 7 pounds per plant across the board with those clones.

[CrushnYuba]

Thejointedone: you are pretty much on the same schedule as me. I take my clones early to mid April. I veg in a greenhouse to. I think that's important because it's getting them used to the blazing sun. I have had the best luck with plastic 3s. they slide out easy. I have tried those smart pots that velcro and plastic bags but root balls always seem to get damaged with both.
I plant the first week of June.

I had some big plants in 10s last year that were supposed to be for a dep. They didn't do as well as smaller plants.

I have had such weird luck with seeds but I might do some this year. Last year the variation of the seeds I did were way off. I had to number all my plants because phenos were so drasticly different. They were TGA. When are y'all starting seeds?

[ponolove]

These guys know what's up ^^

[calaveras]

March 15 start seeds indoors under 13 hours light . 2 weeks after sprouting bump light to 13 1/4 hours. 4weeks after sprouting bump light to 13 1/2 hours.Put outside 3rd week of april if your weather is good. Protect with frost cloth or greenhouse if needed.Plants will sex naturally by early may but stay in vegetative growth. The key is starting at 13 hours light and doing a 15 minute bump 2x so plants are seeing light conditions similar to outside and they don't skip a beat.

[theJointedOne]

Originally Posted by calaveras

March 15 start seeds indoors under 13 hours light . 2 weeks after sprouting bump light to 13 1/4 hours. 4weeks after sprouting bump light to 13 1/2 hours.Put outside 3rd week of april if your weather is good. Protect with frost cloth or greenhouse if needed.Plants will sex naturally by early may but stay in vegetative growth. The key is starting at 13 hours light and doing a 15 minute bump 2x so plants are seeing light conditions similar to outside and they don't skip a beat.

no, see there is no reason to start seeds inside if you have a simple hoop house or greenhouse.

Start seeds outside, and dont deal with the hassle of supplemental lighting

[Noonin NorCal]

Seed plants are more heartier in my opinion, Im in Nor Cal. I will take cuts/clones in a couple weeks no later then the second week of April. The plants I'm cutting off will go straight into a light dep g.h. My clone plants did better last year then seed plants, they didn't get plugged till the second week of June. Be sure to harden them off and don't plant your clones to early...

clones go into rock wool cubes then into 4 inch pots once roots are present . then 3 gallon containers and finally into bigger pots outside. In bigger pots I'm only doing 45's but managed 1.5 pounds last year out of them