[SMALLTUBES]

I have had it for many years...took forever took diagnose...it has almost killed me a few times...I have had a really rough time...but now I'm ok..it seems to come in cycles

[Testicles]

Where are you? US? Grow your own? Use Neem?

[Gimpy]

Testicles mentioned teeth pain and "ice cream headaches." That's the worst of what I've been getting from this smoke. It basically strikes at random after smoking, like someone is twisting a nail through the right side of my head, which then moves to my molars on the same side. It's always on the right side (both teeth and head), and really matches the criterion for Cluster headaches. I'm thinking the 5th cranial nerve.

It causes a serious sense of urgency because it's so painful. I can't speak, think straight, and honestly want to die. This, however, doesn't stick around as long as the stomach issues do.

In my opinion, something important about the data Douglas is collecting is that there *are* other insecticides and fungicides that can cause ill effects as well. Azadirachtin is undoubtedly the most used though, due to still being legal for use on cannabis. For example though, bifenthrin (a pyrethroid insecticide) was really common in medical cannabis--if you've ever gotten "spikey" or "pinchy" feelings around your body, pyrethroids are likely the cause.

[Gimpy]

I forgot to ask, and this may just be me, but does anyone have huge veins around their eyes? It could be from something else, but neem can cause ophthalmopathy, or "Graves."

[Douglas.Curtis]

Originally Posted by Gimpy

Testicles mentioned teeth pain and "ice cream headaches." That's the worst of what I've been getting from this smoke. It basically strikes at random after smoking, like someone is twisting a nail through the right side of my head, which then moves to my molars on the same side. It's always on the right side (both teeth and head), and really matches the criterion for Cluster headaches. I'm thinking the 5th cranial nerve.

Go see a chiropractor and they can probably tell you which area of your spine is out of whack near/in your neck. What you're experiencing is most likely from the increased muscle tension which aza brings with it. 10 years ago, I had a chiropractor wondering WHY my spine would get out of alignment so quickly after an adjustment. Since then I've noticed muscle related pains to increase after ingestion of aza, I'm thinking you're having the same type of issue, only in your specific 'trouble' areas.

Originally Posted by Gimpy

It causes a serious sense of urgency because it's so painful. I can't speak, think straight, and honestly want to die. This, however, doesn't stick around as long as the stomach issues do.

But remember kids... it's "Safe to use, up to the day of harvest!"

Originally Posted by Gimpy

In my opinion, something important about the data Douglas is collecting is that there *are* other insecticides and fungicides that can cause ill effects as well. Azadirachtin is undoubtedly the most used though, due to still being legal for use on cannabis. For example though, bifenthrin (a pyrethroid insecticide) was really common in medical cannabis--if you've ever gotten "spikey" or "pinchy" feelings around your body, pyrethroids are likely the cause.

Interesting, and definitely an issue with some cannabis. I never used those pesticides, so my only experience is with the aza stuff. Definitely good information to file away.

[Gimpy]

I think you just nailed it Douglas--the fact that you knew close to my neck, to the right of my spine, basically has a lump. I'm now also assuming Azadirachtin is used as an insecticide for pscilocybin mushrooms, and that the thread you've started here is going to be groundbreaking information for many people.

Four hours after taking them he felt something "reaching" out of his spine. A friend said something about this being his "awakening chakra," but it was no form of enlightenment. Long story short, by the end of the day there was a gigantic lump that looked like it was growing from the spine, near the neck. It was painful and scary because of how spontaneous it grew. Later that night someone offered to rub it and said it was just tension, and it successfully went away, but was followed by a ton of negative cognitive and physical symptoms--almost exactly the same as the stomach, head, and mental agony I get from azadirachtin via marijuana inhalation.

I seriously commend you for the research, because I still have a slight lump right where you described. Does this chemical have a mind of its own? Like does it just move around the body freely, affecting even the mind and doing whatever it wishes? It's almost like it *knows* how to affect its host strategically.

The bloating/back-fattening started today and I found a bottle of simethicone (Gas-X). After I took it the bloating lessened, but I got a headache and felt anhedonia. My mind is racing right now of what this chemical is capable of, and it's so absurd that you can still use it on what we eat. Crohn's disease? What if it's really just Azadirachtin chilling out in the intestine? How many people could be getting affected by this, and what diagnosis's are assumed?

[Douglas.Curtis]

You're welcome. Glad someone else can benefit from this.

The lump forming is serious muscle tension, full on cramp, which is why massaging it helped lessen it and work it out. Crazy, eh? I've had lots of issues with my neck and upper back, so I'm no stranger to issues in that area. heh

The gas-ex is literally a combination of methyl alcohol and silicone. Tried it once myself and it's a serious no bueno for me. Closest I can guess with aza is it has several methods of action on humans:

• Muscle tension
• Histamine Response
• And either a lowered good bacteria or an elevated bad bacteria in the digestive tract

It's even possible that you have to be allergic to aza AND have an H.Pylori infection. Once I test clean for H.Pylori I'll test some aza tainted cannabis and see if I still have the same problems.


Time and continued collection of data will tell. Greatly appreciate you dropping by.

[Douglas.Curtis]

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