[paddyod11]

A question for Testicles. You don't feel sick after smoking, right? The attacks occur after long periods of smoking with no symptoms?

[Douglas.Curtis]

Originally Posted by Testicles

I'll chime in with an update. Since I found this thread I have had only one attack. I got neem free weed from my grower friend. My last attack was right after I started hitting the gym. I think working out may have been similar to a stress incident. But it has now been a couple months since I had an attack. I still smoke, but way less. I had been smoking close to an Oz a week for yeas but am only smoking about an 1/8 a week these days. Could be quality, or could be quantity.

I have started eating again. Was beef and fast food free for years. I had a patty melt for the first time in years last week. I feel great! I was passing out every night by 9 but no more. Wish I had figured this out years ago. I'm drinking again, really missed that.

The change to clean weed combined with cutting back and I'm a new man. I smoked everyday for 25y, still do. But one or two doobers a day and I feel great. I went from 265 to under 200 when I was sick. Now i'm holding at 220 and i'm buff as fuck. (i've become a bit of a gym rat)

If you are suffering, try to get some clean herb. It really works. I'm a true believer. Saved my life this thread. I was scared to go anywhere lest I have an attack. I was scared to eat lest I have an attack. I tried cutting everything out of my diet, nothing helped.

Smoking clean, smoking less, and working out. This illness cost me my job, my happiness and almost my wife. But it has been months since an attack. I'f I ever meet Doug, beers on me!

Glad I could help. Amazing how much better you feel with clean cannabis, amazing how truly miserable the taint can make you. Glad your life is back on track.

Originally Posted by paddyod11

A question for Testicles. You don't feel sick after smoking, right? The attacks occur after long periods of smoking with no symptoms?

Not sure about Testicles, but lightly tainted cannabis will take a few days to a week to build up to problem levels. The body doesn't break it down quickly, so you have to factor bio-accumulation into the mix. I've had samples so tainted, a single hit made my guts churn and muscles cramp in minutes. I've also had samples where the issues didn't show up for a full week. VERY difficult to pinpoint it to the cannabis when the symptoms are so delayed. It took me years to put the two together.

[Testicles]

my attacks were never right after I smoked. they would happen middle of the night usually or after some kind of stress. Maybe getting ready for a trial or even after hurting myself. Sometimes after eating a heavy dinner. That is why it took so many years to realize it was the herb, or something on the herb. I thought it was diet for so long. but nothing helped until i cut way back on my smoking

[Gimpy]

I'm back for an update.

First, nice job kicking the cigarette habit Douglas.

Vaping wasn't helping my situation very much. I asked my grower if he had anything not treated with neem and he sold me another bag.

It didn't have the garlic/puke scent that neem does. It was a faint, sort of sweet odor. I was pumped that I finally got some stuff without aza.

The first thing I noticed besides the smell was how sticky the buds were. When I tore them up, they literally looked like they were glued together, and even after washing my hands I couldn't get the stickiness off. I smoked a pea-sized chunk and got high as a bat--way too high.

I felt great for the first 30 minutes but then started feeling paranoid. Then I started getting "prickly" sensations around my body; hands, feet, and a few around the stomach (but not to the extent of aza on the stomach). I started getting a feeling in my throat, as if I needed to vomit.

Then it felt like there was a rock growing inside of my lungs or something. It wasn't that painful but definitely not something to ignore. I also had twitching in my cheeks and arms. I slept like a baby and all of the symptoms had subsided except for the prickling sensation. I decided to try the same thing I do with aza weed (and I'm certain this stuff doesn't contain aza). I ground the quarter up and put it under a light.

I came back an hour later and all of the shreds were hard and waxy. It makes me cough regardless of the smoking device. I basically just took one hit and cashed the bowl, because like aza, stuff gets worse when it's fully combusted.

I'm pretty sure they are pyrethroids and excessive piperonyl butoxide, but I'm not certain. In Montana pesticides aren't regulated, but I just sent the grower a text to give him a piece of my mind.

Does anyone know how to get this waxy shit off so I don't have to buy another bag? Or do you think it's already useless?

@Douglas There is a machine people are developing to remove pesticides from concentrates. It runs 6 extracts at a time, but I'm sure it's really expensive.

[Douglas.Curtis]

@gimpy Wow. I'm now curious what they used instead of neem/aza on what they sold you. The waxy stuff actually sounds like high quality flowers, I'd keep it around and see if one hit brings back the unwanted issues. The wax is the resin, after the trichomes have been burst open by your fingers. Pretty spicy stuff. lol

Removal of pesticides from concentrates is good, here's hoping that field of expertise pumps out clean product.

[Gimpy]

Originally Posted by Douglas.Curtis

@gimpy Wow. I'm now curious what they used instead of neem/aza on what they sold you. The waxy stuff actually sounds like high quality flowers, I'd keep it around and see if one hit brings back the unwanted issues. The wax is the resin, after the trichomes have been burst open by your fingers. Pretty spicy stuff. lol

Removal of pesticides from concentrates is good, here's hoping that field of expertise pumps out clean product.

You would think, but there were no trichomes at all.. I don't even know how to smoke it because it makes me cough so bad. I'll hang onto it but I've gotten bud like this before... Now my fingers where I was tearing the buds are bluish. I called him twice and he won't pick up. Just the smell of it makes my stomach rumble and back hurt.

[Gimpy]

The main culprits that anyone has to look out for in states that aren't legalized are bifenthrin, permethrin, and other pyrethroids; PGOs like paclobutrazol, some others like bifenazate, imidacloprid, and myclobutanil (myclob is in Eagle 20, and very dangerous, as it can combust to hydrogen cyanide); and, of course, NEEM.

[Gimpy]

Sure enough, it had pyrethroids and azadirachtin. He actually stuttered over the phone, "But I didn't know, because I didn't grow it. You know my buds are good," and I'm thinking well why the hell did you sell it to someone with a compromised immune system and seizures? It's been 48 hours since I smoked it and I'm still getting the tweaks. I got my refund though, that's what matters.

It's a damn good thing to know about pesticides. They are kind of like demons: invisible, but make you sick and fill your head with confusion and depressing thoughts. Even my cats were like wtf?

[paddyod11]

Some potentially useful information for everyone in this thread: benzodiazepines help. When I take klonopin and smoke, the effects on my stomach are greatly diminished. I don't think the issue is entirely psychosomatic because I still get a small level of discomfort. I think that benzos stop you from worrying about the affects of the unclean weed, so all you are left with is the minor symptoms you suffer from it. I have some Original Glue sitting under a lamp right now. I took some klonopin a little while ago. I'm not sure how long it takes for light to break down the aza, but I'm going to take a hit of it and report back on how I feel. The main takeaway from this post is that the unpleasant effects of smoking pesticides can be greatly exacerbated by anxiety. I think I'll try vaping some and see if it makes a difference.

[paddyod11]

for some reason gorilla was corrected to original. idk what's wrong with the word gorilla haha. and i don't see a way to edit my post. oh well.