In a recent thread Sam_Skunkman wrote

I am working on a way to make dry sifted resin of my quality (50%+ THC) automated, but it has not been easy. When I am successful I will let everyone know how I do it. Until then you will have to use one of the other known methods to make hash. I am busy with the work, but it is taking a lot longer then I hoped to automate it.
-SamS


If the intention in the end is to let everyone know how to do it anyway (which is commendable) ... and since you are having trouble perfecting the process/automation anyway....(and that's if you do not have commercial intentions for it)...

..then why not let us know your technique/process/method how to make the World's best dry sifted hash you developed now not later?.....the advantage of this is there are several experienced and knowledgable minds here on ICmag that would be keen to offer ideas to assist in automation etc.

[TAG-monk]

I think he want to patent it...

wich after what we have seen in the other thread, is not a bad idea, heh

The world is not ready for this knowledge.

lol....perhaps not ...anyway, he obviously has his own reasons/motives...

most smokers are happy with smoking bud......most of the time I'm happy with what falls passively through my screens just from breaking up bud for bowls or jays and use this kif as a "treat", a bowl topper, every now and then (I often smoke it first thing in the morning........a little kif in the bowl is excellent with the morning coffee)

on the rare occasions when I have an excess of bud, I will dry sift some of that actively over several screen frames and then, gently with a card, resift the kif again through those two meshes to purify it (stopping when 90% has fallen through each time)...this method (and there's lots of them) will produce an excellent quality hash combined with good yields..

...and then sometimes I will then work that double or triple sifted kif over a third mesh : 200 ~ 250 L.P.I. mesh (40 ~ 55 micron mesh) to force the broken up dust and resin stalks through the mesh and the resin heads stay on top (see Bubbleman's Bubble box), the carding actions breaks up the dust and other crap into smaller pieces and forces it through the fine holes while the resin heads roll around on top of the mesh.

....but this process takes much longer than the simple dry sifting with one or two screens...it takes alot of work too, the yield is reduced in size by half, you need a tight, evenly taut mesh but the quality is world class!....with one press of your thumb the kif will instantly form into a soft blond "putty"..this is the quality we all will be making and smoking when anf if cannabis is legal again...a few matchheads worth of this hash will has lots of altitude and will zing your brain pleasantly!

I wonder if Sam_Skunkman's technique uses 3 screens too?.....a 120 mesh, then a 130 ~150 mesh (with holes slightly larger than the largest trichomes. but larger enough so most of the trichomes pass through) and a third 200 ~ 250 mesh (with holes slightly smaller than the smaller trichomes) combined with a vaccuum cleaner to suck the debris through from underneath while the material is being carded & agitated across the top of this fine mesh.....I own plenty of fine meshes, but I don't own a vaccuum cleaner (no carpets here!) so haven't tried this vaccuum method out yet...but I can see that automating this process would be a challenge, but it's not impossible.



anyway...Happy kiffing!

[ilife]

Sam, Yes there are many people waiting for you to introduce us to the next level of Dry sieve, where the flavor is!!!

Can we start asking for hints or ideas, such as are you using:

1. Static Electro Magnectic Wand to remove contamination.
2. What size micron are your screens Laser cut to?
3. Are you using a vibrations method, such as mouse sander.




For I would like to learn how to remove the contamination from this and just be sitting with the small percentage of quality resin that is mixed in here.

vibration alone won't work once you start working with meshes smaller than 150 L.P.I. (110 - 115 micron) as the trichomes and contaminants will roll and dance on top of the screen anb dnot fal through efficiently by themselves...once you start using finer meshes, the contaminants need to be actively broken up and forced through, a card does this well...or perhaps an automated blade that moves across the mesh screen as it is vibrated?

the static elec method is one I haven't used...but I'd imagine this technique would be difficult to automate into a one press button dry sift hash making unit ...and/or would be prohibitively expensive

have you tried the working that tumbler kif with a card to and fro over a 220 mesh? or tried with the same finer mesh with a vaccuum sucking from underneath while carding the material on top?..remove the vaccuum attachment head and suck with the open vaccuum tube as this will be have a more concentrated and stronger suction.

trichomes tend to fall through a 120 ~ 145 mesh (150 ~ 115 micron) in greater percentages initially than the contaminants, have you tried running that kif through the same tumbler again stopping when, for example, 75% has fallen through?..this first 75% will contain a higher % of trics than the bulk of the kif you started with.

have you tried freezing that kif and shaking it with ice and water in a jar and letting it settle or running it through a set of bubblebags?...keep 20% of the kif set aside and combine this to the dried ice hash to still retain flavor, taste..and complexity to the high?

there's lot of ways!..I bet Sam knows many more!

keep in mind that with any new method...use a magnifying glass, 20X ~ 35X, to monitor your results and to test different sized meshes you intend to use!

do a search through my previous posts as I often poke my head in to any dry sifting threads...as I did under another user name on Overgrow.com

Happy kiffing!

do a search for posts by Comphason..he is an experienced hasher and has developed and uses several dry sifting purifying techniques/methods and other new methods for improving hash purity.

[gaiusmarius]

so Chamba, you expect Sam to give away his process, before he has a machine ready to go to market? is that what you expect him to do?

i think you'll find that the carding method with 3 screens is pretty superior. how much better do you want it lol?

i saw that vacuum technique in action once and it was totally crass to watch 50% of an already very clean sift disappear into the vacuum cleaner.

also a thought for ilife, if you store that kief for about 6 months to a year and then smoke some, you will have a big surprise. fresh kief always tickles in the throat, let it age properly and you will see the difference. the flavors it produces are totally amazing. that itchy dry quality goes away completely. unless you ran your tumbler for ages, you don't need to clean it. just store it you will see.

[Hashmasta-Kut]

yes we do gaiusmarius.

and chamba is a freaking kif addict, he knows his triple sifting carding inside out

[gaiusmarius]

well some people might do that and pass on their tricks. but you can't expect it, specially not if he's put a lot of time and energy into it with the intention of bringing it to market somehow.

sorry actually you can expect it of him, you can expect anything you want in the end. it just doesn't necessarily follow that your expectations will come to pass, hehe.

i never meant to imply that Chamba isn't doing the triple carding right, i'm sure he is as you say an expert. i was just wondering how much better then that, any system can get if it's not oil being made?

i mean at the end of the triple screen carding you end up with a product of nearly pure trichome heads. so what more can be done to concentrate it further?