[hamstring]

I knew that would get some attention I didn't say it would be all good though.

So I have never grown with anyone never showed a single person anything even remotely related to weed let alone a grow location even on a map, never.
I don't grow indoors all growing takes place in the bush seed to harvest because Im not in a legal state and I'm over 50 and not moving anywhere.

I know there are special phenos in any strain and once a guerrilla finds a strain that meets his harvest time, structure ( very important), mold resistance and now with the right pheno you also get consistent taste and potency.

So why cant a guerrilla have some good smoke because its a bunch of work out there in the bush to bring home 5 phenos in 10 plants and none of them are the text book representation of the strain.

Ok so please excuse my ignorance but can a guerrilla have someone else grow, pick phenos , and clones out of a strain I have chosen.
Then I have a real winner for my enviroment or at least thats he thought.

I assumed and have researched and found that clones can be bought both in CO and CA but CA has the better selection.

I have yet to see anyone allowing me to pick the strain and they do the rest for me. Im assuming this is not done commercially because they would have to always house the mother plant and that takes space & energy much like having a pet you always have to take care of it?

[NewAgeGenetics]

professional growers have their favourite clones or just one... they can't imagine a season without these money maker cuts. you can steal a garden of weed, who cares, but if you steal my clones... that sux.

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NewAgeGenetics
I wasn't planning on steeling any clones or weed. I think I understand what you mean is your clones are very important.

There are breeders that grow and sell clones in many states but my limited understanding is that most of these clones are strains that are breed for indoors.

I was wondering if anyone has approached these breeders/growers to grow strains that do well outdoors and asked them to pheno hunt and provide clones? I wont let this thread drag on too long because it would seem the answer is NO.

Your pool of customers probably goes way down when talking about outdoor strains because there are way more indoor growers.

[NewAgeGenetics]

OK, I didn't understand your point. lol

of course there are a lots of "indoor" (strains) clones what excellent for outdoor. you should try some to find out which you like. I also tested around 50 strains from shops and found some really nice selections what great for outdoors. different shops sells different selections of the same strain usually.

[cravin morehead]

hamstring- check out Ace seeds. most of their offerings have been worked to provide only a couple phenos and they can help you out with when they'll finish up based on your latitude. most of them are land race sativas with some indica to make them more manageable. they offer feminized seeds too. check them out here in the vendors section. good luck, good growing

cm

ps, I ve seen Dubi from Ace personally answer many specific questions about everything they sell. Excellent customer service and reputation

[hamstring]

cravin
Thanks for the suggestion I will take a look.

[paper thorn]

great clickbait title

hope you find what you're looking for

Ace may have great strains, but there you are from seed with unknowns, doing a mom hunt maybe.
you need to go to Cali or Co and get a clone or two. Might depend on when your growing season ends in your locale, but there should be something that would be perfect that you can find.

i'm in a med state, but so far have not heard of adispensary that sells clones, even though there are caregivers and patients with 'authorized to cultivate' on their cards.

[hamstring]

paperthorn
This is the type of feedback I was hoping for. I think it was TomHill that told the virtues of a good pheno and i.e. a clone.
As a guerrilla grower I didn't want to hear that because seeds blow away clones when it comes to security.

As stated before I dont grow anything indoors notta, nothing. Been doing this for longer than many people have been alive .
I'm not growing huge weight and so not looking for a commercial strain where you are not concerned so much about quality. I want head stash and growing from seeds is a crap shoot.

I dont want to piss off breeders here because I respect their skills but I have grown strains like LA CON several times from the same breeder and have had results all over the board as far as taste and potency. Sometimes they dont even seem like the same strain. At its best this is very potent strain with a hashy taste. This year grew out 20 of these and all were very skunky ok potency and no hashy taste at all not the LA Con I was expecting or looking for. Was it good weed sure but not LA CON and if you know the strain you know what I mean.

I have to believe the same guy isn't making seeds for these companies every time and different folks come up with different qualities in my opinion.

Clones are going to give that consistency that seed don't.

[FirstTracks]

If you want consistent seeds, ya gotta make them yourself. Tricky when guerilla growing, as you probably know already.

Seems like it would be riskier driving state to state with clones than growing a couple moms in a stealth cab. keep the plant count low. airlayer to get clones when you're a few weeks out.

[Lester Beans]

What you are looking for is a stable strain, produces near identical plants from seed. This was normal years ago but todays strains are not worked like they used to be. Some are not even tested.

I like the Ace recommendation, they seem to be pretty uniform and well worked.

Another good one is Seedsman. Their White Widow feminized seed was very uniform. Same as the Cheese. I have some cheese just entering flower now and they all look very much alike.

That is strange about the LA CON, after the strain has been around so long, one would expect to find most plants similar.

Clones will not help you if you can't keep a mother.

Looking forward to others recommendations.

Cheers