[MAHA KALA]

Originally Posted by The Hatter

If you are looking for real haze then you won't see it flowering in under 16 weeks and more likely even longer than that, but real haze isn't everything its cracked up to be. A lot of people put it up on a pedestal as one of the legends from back in the day, but there are a lot of amazing IBL sativas out there that legitimately match or exceed it. Haze is after all just a crossbreed of a bunch of IBL sativas from across the world.

could you name those great ibl sativas??? thank you.

[The Hatter]

Originally Posted by MAHA KALA

could you name those great ibl sativas??? thank you.

I don't want to derail this thread anymore than it has been so I will keep this brief.

Almost all of Ace, Cannabiogen and Delicatessen strains either are IBL strains or hybrids of IBL strains.

Some of the ones I have grown which have really nice clean upbeat sativa effects include Destroyer, Zamaldelica, Mextiza, Panama x Bangi Haze and Oaxican.

With the Mextiza you want to look for the thin leafed Oaxican leaning phenos and with the Zamaldelica it is similarly the long flowering thin leafed plants that have the most electric and upbeat effects.

One of my all time favorite sativa smokes was an extremely long flowering Zamaldelica clone I had from the original release of the strain. It went 18 1/2 weeks, grew like a triffid and had really unusual aroma I haven't seen before or since. When trimming it the aroma smelled very strongly of crushed green onion and garlic with strong hints of cedar, ginger and carrots. It slightly stung my nose similar to the way fresh cut ginger does. The effects were intense, euphoric, heart pounding and trippy. It's hard to compare smokes that are separated by many years, but I think that zammy topped any haze or haze hybrid I have ever smoked. There was similarly a nice pheno of Mextiza I had that I would rank up there as one of my all time favorites although it was not quite on the same level as that Zammy. It's effects were more fun, creative and warm but still with enough of a rush and trippiness to make it a ride.

The Panama x Bangi Haze this thread topic is about is actually one of the better sativas I have grown. It has a really nice clean effect, decent bud structure, good yield and it flowers pretty quickly. I also prefer its more soaring and upbeat high over the pure Panama which is a bit more dreamy and hazy.

[MAHA KALA]

thanks for response. i grew bangi haze and mextiza.. from what you mentioned. and i cant agree with you bro. while the taste is nice. it cant touch original haze or othaze in its complexity of the effect.. but I'm haze lover. sure. panama x bangi sounds like excellent and indoor manageable hybrid. yet i have to try some zamal.. that can be near to OH.

[The Hatter]

Originally Posted by MAHA KALA

thanks for response. i grew bangi haze and mextiza.. from what you mentioned. and i cant agree with you bro. while the taste is nice. it cant touch original haze or othaze in its complexity of the effect.. but I'm haze lover. sure. panama x bangi sounds like excellent and indoor manageable hybrid. yet i have to try some zamal.. that can be near to OH.

In the end it comes down to personal preference. I too really love haze, but to me it one of many sativa flavors I really enjoy. Hazes vary quite a bit between the various different lines that exist and even individual phenotypes within those lines so there are certainly some I like more than others, but as a whole Haze is among the best I have smoked. If you enjoy the really electric trippy but clear headed sort of effects it is unfortunately often the longer flowering strains and individual plants that will have them.

Mextiza is a very short flowering sativa, yet I would rank my favorite Oaxican leaning pheno up there with some of the good hazes I have had. Although it certainly is its own beast and doesn't replicate the haze experience, I would still put that Mextiza on equal footing as far as how much I enjoyed it. Too give you an idea of how much I liked that Mextiza plant, I grew her out repeatedly despite a tendency to throw a few late flower nanners. Even the extremely long flowering land race strains won't replicate haze since they each have their own unique spin on the sativa buzz.

If I had to pick an all time favorite I think that one 18 1/2 week girl from the original Zamaldelica release might be it. It's been years now and I still have a jar of that stuff squirreled away for special occasions. If you try Zamaldelica look for the thin leafed long flowering phenos. That's where the magic is in my opinion.

The Panama X Bangi has a better effect in my opinion than either of the parental lines. You may prefer the cross over the pure Bangi Haze since you didn't like how one note the Bangi effect is. The panama adds complexity and a bit of euphoric dreaminess to the overall effect along with some nice lemony and woody incense aromas and Bangi Haze brings some of its zip and energy to the mix.

[MAHA KALA]

imo the haze is magic mix. i liked bangi haze a lot i bought it twice. really I enjoyed it as working weed, but the effect, as well the effect of golden tiger, is one dimensional. its hard to express it for me. it doesnt have anything with potency. but haze gives so many dimensions there is mathematical term for it, its multiplicity imo. everytime you enter new slot in that system, the whole system is reorganizing

[The Hatter]

Originally Posted by MAHA KALA

imo the haze is magic mix. i liked bangi haze a lot i bought it twice. really I enjoyed it as working weed, but the effect, as well the effect of golden tiger, is one dimensional. its hard to express it for me. it doesnt have anything with potency. but haze gives so many dimensions there is mathematical term for it, its multiplicity imo. everytime you enter new slot in that system, the whole system is reorganizing

I totally get what you are saying about how Bangi is a bit one dimensional. The Panama or Bangi x Panama might be more up your alley if you are looking for a more multidimensional experience. Panama has some depth to the effect and more complex terpenes. Sometimes Panama can be quite dreamy or even introspective and other times more stimulating and euphoric. You might want to check out some good Colombians if you haven't already since they can have quite nuanced and complex sativa effects as well. I haven't actually tried it, but I have heard some very good things about about Panama x Haze. You might be able to find some nice haze effects in a shorter flowering package. Best of luck in your search.

[MAHA KALA]

sure it sounds like nice cross, this pangi, I made original haze x mextiza, so this is now my way to get shorter flowering haze. I heard good things about panamahaze, but also heard it lacks in flavors and taste dep compared to OH. good talk with you Hatter. keep it up.

[andlund930]

Here is one of my Pangi Haze. The one worth showing off. My other Pangi went into flower as a younger plant (2weeks) still mainlined for 8 colas. It is quite wimpy, similar to the last one I grew. Also an unimpressive plant structually, again put into flower as a young plant mainline to 8. Longer node spacing, not much for stacking colas, and weak branches. I gather this plant needs a longer more careful veg period. I confess I rush on the mainlining. Probably started topping wayyyy too early.

That said the last one was GREAT smoke, complex terps that I loved, lemon, earth, sweet musk, incense. Only yielded 35 grams. Plants treated the same in that run yielded 10oz, 6oz, 4oz. So yep, longer veg needed.

This one pictured is in like the 7th week of flower. Love thus plant. If you see the salty water spots on the leaves, I was gone for 2 weeks and had Bonnie (wife) take over smh.

Can't wait to see how much bigger this girl gets.

[TexasTea]

This was a lovely plant. Just put her in the jar two days ago and gradually adjusting here down to 65% humidity. So far I don't get as much lemony aromas as I was hoping for. This girl almost reminded me of a Kali China a little bit but is sweeter and more floral. It's still way early but tester bowl was potent and yummy.

[Syd Barrett]

The little Pangi smells lemony already