[Rodehazrd]

[quote=jidoka;8217449]So humans store extra minerals in bones. Plants store it in leaves and stems. Of course balance is ideal so when the plant does draw upon its mobile minerals it won't get sick. But if you remove the fan leaves and excess can only be stored in stem and flower resulting in a sick and weak low yielding plant

And imo all of the good stuff, terpenes, thwhatever, are oils. They require a lot of energy. So destroying your chloroplasts late in the cycle seems counterproductive. You can argue stress response but a healthy, hydrated mma fighter stomps a dehydrated one

[packerfan79]

[quote=Rodehazrd;8219924]

Originally Posted by jidoka

So humans store extra minerals in bones. Plants store it in leaves and stems. Of course balance is ideal so when the plant does draw upon its mobile minerals it won't get sick. But if you remove the fan leaves and excess can only be stored in stem and flower resulting in a sick and weak low yielding plant

And imo all of the good stuff, terpenes, thwhatever, are oils. They require a lot of energy. So destroying your chloroplasts late in the cycle seems counterproductive. You can argue stress response but a healthy, hydrated mma fighter stomps a dehydrated one

In an organic outdoor setting I would be inclined to agree with you. In an indoor setting, where we control the parameters of the grow. I think getting more light to the flowers, is more important than keeping sun leaves. We grow buds not leaves is my thought process. I belive we can provide what is needed by the plant. I also belive that it will,be absorbed faster, than breaking down what's in the leaves. Defoliation is generally done between week 3-5 I will pull so e towards the end . That's preharvest generally

To each his own. If it works for you , awesome. I could be totally wrong, just going off my personal experience.

[Rodehazrd]

[quote=packerfan79;8219953]

Originally Posted by Rodehazrd

In an organic outdoor setting I would be inclined to agree with you. In an indoor setting, where we control the parameters of the grow. I think getting more light to the flowers, is more important than keeping sun leaves. We grow buds not leaves is my thought process. I belive we can provide what is needed by the plant. I also belive that it will,be absorbed faster, than breaking down what's in the leaves. Defoliation is generally done between week 3-5 I will pull so e towards the end . That's preharvest generally

To each his own. If it works for you , awesome. I could be totally wrong, just going off my personal experience.

Well I am mostly organic and that could be a factor but I think the gist of what he says in that it takes a lot more energy to get something from root to flower than from leaf or stem. Thats assuming a mobile element like mo. So the takeaway for me is remove what is in the way or tuck it under and leave as much as you can without shading the buds. How did you compare the difference and what effect do you see from defoliation?

[Rodehazrd]

Well its St Patrick this week and It makes me think of all the Saints I like Francis is my number one but lets not forget Dorthy patron of flowers and apples

[packerfan79]

[quote=Rodehazrd;8219982]

Originally Posted by packerfan79

Well I am mostly organic and that could be a factor but I think the gist of what he says in that it takes a lot more energy to get something from root to flower than from leaf or stem. Thats assuming a mobile element like mo. So the takeaway for me is remove what is in the way or tuck it under and leave as much as you can without shading the buds. How did you compare the difference and what effect do you see from defoliation?

I generally see a greater amount of denser buds. I grow vertically, so defoliation is mandatory for me. I do tuc my leaves back some. Seems to work. It is probably not a lot different than pulling the leaves. I can get large dense buds all the way up and down the plant, but with light from 1 side as opposed to from the top you need to keep the light penetrating as much as possible .

[Fiddynut]

Originally Posted by pop_rocks

thats funny you mention the timers, because i was just thinking about that this monring, fiddy
im in the middle of flowerand dont want to subtract one hour from the dark cycle, so i think i will just let that one go
/it just means that everything happens an hour later during the day
once this grow comes down,then i will recalibrate the timers to match the house clocks
as far as my veg tent goes, im not as concerned about when the lights come on or off
/heck, i will even work around them when they are "dark"
yeah i remember those same starving kids growing up
thats so cool your mom is trained in the field, i bet she is a really good resource to ask when you thinking about your diet
does she also like to cook?
i wouldent sweat the occasional "bad food" choice,man
its not easy to change your diet up and sometimes its just fun to eat
as long as you are getting your exercise and eating sensible meals for the most part, i dont think there is anything wrong with indulging once in a while
i just pulled some chicken thighs off the grill and am going to have them with pasta salad and yellow squash for dinner tonight
im almost more excited about the left overs tho,
i going to de-bone whats left and make a chicken salad for lunch tomorrow
so do you have any plans for the weekend?

Good afternoon pop_rocks.

Yes I dislike having to reset my timers twice a year. Like you said my veg tent can just be reset and not affect the girls at all. In the flower tent I lit to adjust a few min per day over the course of a week or so and the girls don't seem to mind. I kind of have to have the adjust ththe lights because of my work schedule and having to water before work a lot and not wanting to get an hour earlier. I guess it could be worse haha.

My mom was a great cook and food influence growing up. She isn't into the low fat or low anything diet just good, balanced choices and common sense. She taught me some good things about cooking but mostly I didn't start to care about cooking untill I'd moved out and missed her food, that got me motivated.

You are right I can't nit pick over food choices, just keep on a good path and stick with it. Whatever I've been doing is working, I'm down about 30 pounds now, even after last weekend's cake LOL.

Grilled chicken sounds good and I love some yellow squash, I pan fry my squash with a little onion and eat a lot of that stuff. I love me some chicken salad too.

No plans yet for the weekend but something will probably come together and I think it's supposed to warm up a bit so maybe some outdoor activity and disc golf. You got anything interesting planned?

[Fiddynut]

Originally Posted by Rodehazrd

Good Morning Tribe
Well I got some snow but not enough to worry about. The black ice is my fear. With these cold nights and warm days it shows up a lot.
Some time ago I think it was Packerfan suggested defoliation in flower I don't agree although I don't have his experience I feel the leaves should be left till they fall off. Dr Jidoka had this to say about it.
So humans store extra minerals in bones. Plants store it in leaves and stems. Of course balance is ideal so when the plant does draw upon its mobile minerals it won't get sick. But if you remove the fan leaves and excess can only be stored in stem and flower resulting in a sick and weak low yielding plant

And imo all of the good stuff, terpenes, thwhatever, are oils. They require a lot of energy. So destroying your chloroplasts late in the cycle seems counterproductive. You can argue stress response but a healthy, hydrated mma fighter stomps a dehydrated one. Imo

[quote=Rodehazrd;8219924]

Originally Posted by jidoka

So humans store extra minerals in bones. Plants store it in leaves and stems. Of course balance is ideal so when the plant does draw upon its mobile minerals it won't get sick. But if you remove the fan leaves and excess can only be stored in stem and flower resulting in a sick and weak low yielding plant

And imo all of the good stuff, terpenes, thwhatever, are oils. They require a lot of energy. So destroying your chloroplasts late in the cycle seems counterproductive. You can argue stress response but a healthy, hydrated mma fighter stomps a dehydrated one

[quote=packerfan79;8219953]

Originally Posted by Rodehazrd

In an organic outdoor setting I would be inclined to agree with you. In an indoor setting, where we control the parameters of the grow. I think getting more light to the flowers, is more important than keeping sun leaves. We grow buds not leaves is my thought process. I belive we can provide what is needed by the plant. I also belive that it will,be absorbed faster, than breaking down what's in the leaves. Defoliation is generally done between week 3-5 I will pull so e towards the end . That's preharvest generally

To each his own. If it works for you , awesome. I could be totally wrong, just going off my personal experience.

[quote=Rodehazrd;8219982]

Originally Posted by packerfan79

Well I am mostly organic and that could be a factor but I think the gist of what he says in that it takes a lot more energy to get something from root to flower than from leaf or stem. Thats assuming a mobile element like mo. So the takeaway for me is remove what is in the way or tuck it under and leave as much as you can without shading the buds. How did you compare the difference and what effect do you see from defoliation?

Good afternoon Packerfan and Rodehazrd.

I think this is a perfect example of something that works well in some growing styles and environments and not in others. I think that is a reason the defoliation thread gets so heated, people using diffrent systems and diffrent straines doing what someone else does and getting drastically diffrent results.

My little limited observation tells me that less can be more with leaves, let me explain. The plants I'm flowering right now are clones of seed plants I flowered last cycle. On the run from seed the plants had a lot more leaves and the bottom half of the plant got almost no light, and that's where I found the hermies, and also a lot of larf and popcorn. On this run the clones had way less leaves and I've yet to find a ball or nanner. After harvest I'll see how all this affects my yeild this time, but I'm pretty sure from the looks of things that I'll have a lot less larf on the lowers.

[Fiddynut]

Originally Posted by Rodehazrd

Well its St Patrick this week and It makes me think of all the Saints I like Francis is my number one but lets not forget Dorthy patron of flowers and apples

Good afternoon Rodehazrd.

I don't know much about the saints but st. Patrick's day is a drinking Holliday in my neck of the woods. It's a day where everyone has a little Irish in them and the bars are packed by about 9am. By early afternoon it's a shit show of drunken people and this year it's on a Saturday which will just incourage people even more. I'm kind of looking forward to some people watching at the local watering hole.

[pop_rocks]

one more day to go fellas'!
i am ready for the weekend
last saturday,the mrs made some brownies for her little adventure weekend thing with the girl
i kind of left them alone because they were more for her; but it turns out she saved some just for the two of us
/busted out the lot of them the other day but i dident really sample
i tried them tonight...
do you guys see my hat spinning here?!?
oh man, they potent, man these things will blow your hair back
i only tried a little piece but we have almost a whole pan full for the weekend
my plan is to get really high this weekend and hopefully enjoy a nice walk in the rain!
plus, they we are going to this place called golden corral on sat with
a friend and his brother
ive never been there but ive seen their commercials on tv
/i am so ready to smash i cant wait

some interesting thoughts on defoliation guys
/to defoliate or not is a hot and often polarizing topic online
im glad the tribe is cool and we can talk about this kind of thing like adults
/plus we all know p'fan pulls down the weight and our boy rhode is a solid man in the garden
they grow in different styles and environments, but i think they both have something valuable to add and good stuff to add to the mix

lets finish off this week strong guys
spring is right around the corner

[Fiddynut]

Greetings friends.

Be carful with those brownies pop, they sound like ass kickers. I haven't made any edibles in a few months probably time to make and enjoy some. I made brownies for a few of my coworkers last 4/20 and everyone got really wasted off them. Maybe I'll do that again.
I'm looking forward to some down time this weekend, it's been busy at work and in the garden this week and some rest in in order. It's been a chilly week here in the low 30's, it looks like a slow warming trend over the weekend and next week should get to the 50's. I might make some beef jerky this weekend too if there is time. Enjoy those brownies and have a great weekend.

I hope all the jungle tribe are finishing the week strong and all is well. Have a great weekend apeveryone....Fiddy.