[doams]

Originally Posted by ReikoX

Interesting decarb method. I'm not sure how effective it is though. The temp is a tad too high and the duration is a too short. But you do get high twice!

I like to decarb at 115°C (240°F) for 40 minutes. You should try PsychedelicSam's Green Dragon recipe, you'll like it.

I make my Green Dragon with 8 grams of cannabis and end up with 2 ounces (60 ml) of tincture. That usually comes out to a concentration of 24 mg/ml. My dose is 0.5-1.0 ml so 60-120 doses. That can last me about a month dosing 2-3 times a day. 96 g/year is easily doable.

I just cant drink alcohol /medical reasons/.. thats too bad otherwise would go that green dragon way..
So gotta stick to oils butter etc.
Thinking about making some chocolate with coconut oil like 2 or 3kg brick lol.

last time I forgot to decarb before adding the buds into oil but ended up heating the oil to boil point few times think decarb happened there it was good havent done side by side test tho.

This method of mine is like emergency stuff would normally use oven and decarb the whole jar at once.. still gotta renovate the kitchen and get one in there.

[ReikoX]

Yeah the alcohol can be a problem with some people. Probably one of the reasons that Prana uses MCT oil.

It is possible to transfer the Green Dragon to other mediums though. Basically you make the Green Dragon then add it to the desired amount of oil. You then heat gently stirring occasionally until you are back to the original volume of oil. This is referred to as a solvent transfer and it evaporates the alcohol leaving the cannabinoids in the oil.

I use this all the time. I have done solvent transfers to agave, corn syrup, coconut oil, olive oil, and sugar. The sugar transfer is amazing! It hits you almost instantly. I like to use the infused sugar and oil in cookies for a double whammy effect. The sugar hits you fast and hard. By the time that wears off, the oil kicks in.

I used to do the whole BadKittySmiles oil procedure and it made good potent butter, but it was inconsistent. The alcohol is a much more efficient solvent, with the solvent transfer you can make the oil much stronger than you could using the oil as the solvent. You can also judge the potency based on serving size. Something I find difficult with traditional oil recipes.

Sorry to rant, I've been into the Green Dragon this morning. 10 drops in my coffee. The alcohol evaporates and all you taste is coffee and a little cannabis! I don't want to post a link to another site, so just Google "psychedelic sam tincture" and you will find his long and epic thread!

Ingesting cannabanoids is a great way to saturate your endocannabanoid system. Do it however works for you. If you have any questions about the Green Dragon and solvent transfers feel free to ask.

[exploziv]

Great info in the thread!! Any ideea on what concentration of cannabinoids agave or maple syrup will hold? Like how many grams of extracted bud I should transfer per ml of syrup. I am looking for maximum concentration it can hold.

[ReikoX]

Originally Posted by exploziv

Great info in the thread!! Any ideea on what concentration of cannabinoids agave or maple syrup will hold? Like how many grams of extracted bud I should transfer per ml of syrup. I am looking for maximum concentration it can hold.

I don't know what the limit would be, but I have easily made agave at 24 mg / ml. It's great in cold drinks. A teaspoon is 5ml or 120 mg. I'm sure I could have easily doubled that concentration The only thing that doest seem to work is vegetable glycerine. It had the same issues as trying to melt BHO into VG and ends up separating.

When using the solvent transfer, you are using the medium as a carrier instead of a solvent. As a result, the medium can carry more cannabinoids than it could disolve. PsychedelicSam makes a Dragon Oil that is just about as concentrated as RSO using the solvent transfer and coconut oil.

[Tbonegrower]

Solvent Transfer... I thought that was when you gave your buddy some errl. :-)

[ReikoX]

Originally Posted by Tbonegrower

Solvent Transfer... I thought that was when you gave your buddy some errl. :-)

Oh, I thought it was transfering the errl from the pipe to the brain.

[doams]

Originally Posted by ReikoX

Yeah the alcohol can be a problem with some people. Probably one of the reasons that Prana uses MCT oil.

It is possible to transfer the Green Dragon to other mediums though. Basically you make the Green Dragon then add it to the desired amount of oil. You then heat gently stirring occasionally until you are back to the original volume of oil. This is referred to as a solvent transfer and it evaporates the alcohol leaving the cannabinoids in the oil.

I use this all the time. I have done solvent transfers to agave, corn syrup, coconut oil, olive oil, and sugar. The sugar transfer is amazing! It hits you almost instantly. I like to use the infused sugar and oil in cookies for a double whammy effect. The sugar hits you fast and hard. By the time that wears off, the oil kicks in.

I used to do the whole BadKittySmiles oil procedure and it made good potent butter, but it was inconsistent. The alcohol is a much more efficient solvent, with the solvent transfer you can make the oil much stronger than you could using the oil as the solvent. You can also judge the potency based on serving size. Something I find difficult with traditional oil recipes.

Sorry to rant, I've been into the Green Dragon this morning. 10 drops in my coffee. The alcohol evaporates and all you taste is coffee and a little cannabis! I don't want to post a link to another site, so just Google "psychedelic sam tincture" and you will find his long and epic thread!

Ingesting cannabanoids is a great way to saturate your endocannabanoid system. Do it however works for you. If you have any questions about the Green Dragon and solvent transfers feel free to ask.

this is awesome info!
that idea of transfer didn't cross my mind if it evaporates 100% alcohol it should work for me

sure have a few questions if you dont mind..
any tip @ what C do I have to keep the mix to evaporate 100% alcohol off the mix and for how long?

on extraction topic how long do I have to keep the buds in alcohol for extraction there are different opinions on this some say 1 min is enough others say for days in fridge etc..

Is 60% alcohol enough for this?

and yeah what is sugar transfer /is it just adding some sugar into the oil if yes do I add sugar before green dragon or after or in the middle of process ?/ :O

thx.

[ReikoX]

Originally Posted by doams

this is awesome info!
that idea of transfer didn't cross my mind if it evaporates 100% alcohol it should work for me

sure have a few questions if you dont mind..
any tip @ what C do I have to keep the mix to evaporate 100% alcohol off the mix and for how long?

I use a double boiler, so the boiling water never exceeds 100°C.

on extraction topic how long do I have to keep the buds in alcohol for extraction there are different opinions on this some say 1 min is enough others say for days in fridge etc..

The recipe I use uses a two hour soak in the freezer (see recipe below).

Is 60% alcohol enough for this?

You can do the recipe with 60%, but it requires extra steps and I don't think it will work for the sugar transfer.

and yeah what is sugar transfer /is it just adding some sugar into the oil if yes do I add sugar before green dragon or after or in the middle of process ?/ :O

The sugar transfer relies on the fact that the alcohol doesn't disolve the sugar. The sugar is mixed with the Green Dragon in a bowl, then allowed to evaporate in a baking dish.

thx.

OK, for details check out PsychedelicSam's Thread, Another Tincture Thread - Try it You'll like it. But I'll give you the short version.

Green Dragon Recipe

1. Take 7 grams of cannabis and break it up to a joint rolling texture.
2. Decarb the cannabis at 240°F (115°C) for 40 minutes.
3. Place the cannabis in a jar, then place the jar in the freezer for at least 24 hours.
4. Place bottle of 190 proof grain alcohol (I use Everclear brand) in the freezer for at least 24 hours.
5. After 24 hours, add 3 oz. (90 ml) of 190 alcohol to the cannabis and shake for five minutes.
6. Place the jar back in the freezer for 2 hours.
7. Shake again for five minutes.
8. Strain out the cannabis and filter through a coffee filter to remove the empty trichome husks.
9. Return the strained cannabis to the jar and add 3 more oz. (90 ml) to rinse the cannabis.
10. Shake for five minutes.
11. Strain out the cannabis and filter through a coffee filter to remove the empty trichome husks.
12. Using a double boiler, reduce down to 2 oz.

Solvent Transfer

1. Using a double boiler, add one ounce of coconut oil.
2. Add one oz. (90 ml) of Green Dragon
3. Heat until reduced back down to one oz. (90 ml) stirring often.

This is just the tip of the iceberg my friend.

[ReikoX]

I made up a batch of double whammy cookies. I took a bunch of pictures of the solvent transfer, but somehow I lost them. These have infused sugar as well as infused butter.


I don't have much of a sweet tooth, so I decided to try something savory. I made up a batch of South of the Border snack mix.

Ingredients

• 1 oz. Green Dragon
• 6 tablespoons butter
• 1 packet of Taco Seasoning
• 1 tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
• 1 teaspoon hot sauce
• 1 cup peanuts
• 1 cup mini pretzles
• 1 cup bite size cheese crackers
• 8 cups rice cereal
• 2 tablespoons American cheese powder (optional)

Directions

1. Preheat oven to 250°F.
2. Transfer Green Dragon to 1 oz. butter.
3. Melt remaining butter and combine with infused butter.
4. Add taco seasoning, Worcestershire sauce, and hot sauce.
5. Slowly add cereal, peanuts, pretzles, and cheese crackers.
6. Bake for 1 hour at 250°F, stirring every 15 minutes.
7. Optionally coat with cheese powder when warm.
8. Store in an airtight container.

[ReikoX]

The yogurt girls have stretched way too much. The two in the back have bumped up against the ceiling, so I had to bend the main stock. Four days was too much as well, they started wilting because the res was empty. I was worried about tipping so I made some supports out of corrugated plastic. I may cull the two tall ones.