medicated4
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I've had a bad batch of seeds hermie out before and Im wondering if you guys think I should go with regular or fem seeds? I've heard aalot of conflicting stuff on fem seeds. the company I'm ordering from is Rare Dankness.
Fem seeds=hermies?
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medicated4
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Yeah. thats what I've always felt to be true as well, thanks for the info bro. Do you exclusively buy fem seeds when possible?
everydayJoe
New member
I only buy reg seeds now.
Grown a few very nice fem seeds but overall had more troubles with them compared to plants from regs. Just my experience over a few grows.. could've been the strains.
Grown a few very nice fem seeds but overall had more troubles with them compared to plants from regs. Just my experience over a few grows.. could've been the strains.
Yep, agreed.
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BAKED_BEANZ
fem seeds made by decent breeders is no issue, and hasn't been for years already .
i,ve had some fems sitting out in winter , regs busting out male flowers and fems staying strong .
i,ve had some fems sitting out in winter , regs busting out male flowers and fems staying strong .
dezman
Member
Very true. You can have hermies on regular seeds too.
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BAKED_BEANZ
i make a lot a seed in my winter , you,d be surprised how many strains herm out in winter , you can grow them in summer and have a turbulent season and they never show any sign of male flowers .
you want to push any plants only the very most stable won,t herm in certain conditions .
when fems seeds were first bought to the market , they were total junk . now they are excellent . if you choose a reputable breeder .
i use fem mothers to seed from time to time , i have to be honest the offspring from those plants are a lot more uniform and reliable and have less variation . well seem to anyway.
we were regular seed growers for years... till we bought a pack of rez's basic kush fems... they didn't herm..they were full blown males... balls all over the place... thought I was in a porno movie.. and they pollinated our whole grow.. then for years went back to regular seeds.. we have been dabbling in fems again... so far without problems...
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Buck-annaC
I concur.
Find a reputable breeder and you wil be fine.
I tend to think the hermie issue with female seeds is more genetically related within the parents rather than it being caused by chemically altering the plant or even using rodelization techniques.
To me rodelization is nothing more than the species trying to save itself at the end of its cycle and if a female cannabis plant is indeed a true female then it shouldn't produce male pollen to begin with even when it becomes stressed.
Now I am most probably opening up a big ole can of worms here and I apologize in advance but until someone explains to me how one produces male pollen from a "true female" cannabis plant then I will always believe that femmed seeds will always have a "tendency" to be more prone to hermie.
Now I am not talking about a full blown he/she but she may throw a few nanners late into flowering on the lower internodes simply due to a lack of light which is one of many reasons a plant can stress.
The plant doesn't stress because it's a femmed seed but because it was in the genes to begin with.
Sure it sounds wonderful not having to worry about pulling males and having an all female turnout but if the grower is not in sync with the characteristics of the femmed strain , combined with their overall growing experience or lack there of can cause a good grow to turn into a clusterfudge pretty quickly.
On the other side of that coin it can all happen with standard seeds as well. It's all in the genes.
Buck.
Regulars aren't more stable per se if we talk about stability in terms of uniformity. The femmed versions of a strain are most likely more uniform than the regulars because you cross the same genes with themselves. So no different genes come into the equation. If we talk about stability in terms of being pure male or female the femmed version CAN be more herm prone, because the chance of a bad trait is doubled through this process, but its more of a problem if the super duper bagseed elite clone was derived from a hermying plant.
I could be wrong with the femmed/selfed being more uniform, because it just depends on what the chosen individual was made of and which kind of cross is made. We must disguise beween selfing and feminizing. Selfing crosses an individual to itself and herein lies the chance to lock or stabilize many traits. But we can also feminize totally different plants with another, where a lot of variation comes into play again.
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Dogon
Yes, I can confirm that I had this problem, I blossomed ChemD x GG # 4 slightly hemafrodit there was only the first phase of flowering and then continued as a woman and it was delicious nuggets
The method of feminisation is the determining factor in whether or not your plant will Hermie. Somas tech of waiting till a Hermie prone line hermied at the end of flowering, then passing those genes onto the offspring, to everyone's surprise, resulted in a higher than normal frequency of Hermie offspring.
Now breeders realise that isn't the best way to do it.
The science is very simple, the code to produce the pollen exists in every female plant, but those instruction sets are not activated in non Hermie plants; that is without artificial stimulation. When these genes are activated (search epigenetics), they become active, and produce pollen. This pollen is female due to its source, and should not produce offspring with any greater probability of hermying than a seed produced with classical breeding methods ie one father (male) and one mother (female).
Now breeders realise that isn't the best way to do it.
The science is very simple, the code to produce the pollen exists in every female plant, but those instruction sets are not activated in non Hermie plants; that is without artificial stimulation. When these genes are activated (search epigenetics), they become active, and produce pollen. This pollen is female due to its source, and should not produce offspring with any greater probability of hermying than a seed produced with classical breeding methods ie one father (male) and one mother (female).
NorCalGro
Member
I'm not trying to bash fems in anyway I think there a great thing for certain people espically for beginners or people with low plant count. I just personally feel regular seeds are better for me, especially for more experienced growers looking to try their hand at breeding witch is where my focus is slowing turning too. Good luck op just get your seeds from a good breeder and it doesn't matter witch ones you get. A few reputable breeders are Bodhi, Dying breed, Bog,Top dawg, Og raskel, and Aficionado seeds are my favorites.
medicated4
Member
Thanks guys all the responses are very welcoming and this thread definately helped me alot.
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FEM does not automatically mean herm prone.
Sex is determined first by genetics...
THEN
Sex can be altered using chemicals on just about ANY cannabis plant & has been for a few decades now. Male plants can be altered to produce female flowers as well as the reciprocol.
I'm guessing that there are other myths attached to FEM breeding as well but I can neither confirm nor deny them as I've not enough experience with FEM seeds myself to make those determinations.
I've got to agree with the statement concerning Rhodolization as used by Soma & the pioneers of FEM seeds. This is a dated method but it still works.
I am of the opinion that most hermies happen in indoor grows that are not dialed in. Outdoors, for some reason, seems to inhibit herm expressions from surfacing in plant that would normally under HIDs. This is, of course, based upon my experience using both enviros.
As has already been mentioned by others...
Choose a good quality breeder & you will be rewarded with excellent cultivars, FEM or Reg.
Oh yeah... One other thing...
Q. Why don't we see many folks bitchin about the latent nanners that typically come from the Chem lines?
A. Because they're good enough that folks deal with the nuisance of either plucking nanners or saving the resulting seed.
One more thing...
I've seen as many or more hermies come from reg seed as opposed to FEM seed... Again... Could just be my lack of experience but I doubt it.
FEM does not automatically mean herm prone.
Sex is determined first by genetics...
THEN
Sex can be altered using chemicals on just about ANY cannabis plant & has been for a few decades now. Male plants can be altered to produce female flowers as well as the reciprocol.
I'm guessing that there are other myths attached to FEM breeding as well but I can neither confirm nor deny them as I've not enough experience with FEM seeds myself to make those determinations.
I've got to agree with the statement concerning Rhodolization as used by Soma & the pioneers of FEM seeds. This is a dated method but it still works.
I am of the opinion that most hermies happen in indoor grows that are not dialed in. Outdoors, for some reason, seems to inhibit herm expressions from surfacing in plant that would normally under HIDs. This is, of course, based upon my experience using both enviros.
As has already been mentioned by others...
Choose a good quality breeder & you will be rewarded with excellent cultivars, FEM or Reg.
Oh yeah... One other thing...
Q. Why don't we see many folks bitchin about the latent nanners that typically come from the Chem lines?
A. Because they're good enough that folks deal with the nuisance of either plucking nanners or saving the resulting seed.
One more thing...
I've seen as many or more hermies come from reg seed as opposed to FEM seed... Again... Could just be my lack of experience but I doubt it.
