[gmanwho]

Looks like someones been busy!!!

[delta9nxs]

Originally Posted by Mr Blah

Holy Shit!
What a system!!!!Simple....Love it.
One question; how did you get that Good Year pipe to lay so straight?

thank you! the hose wants to return to it's original manufactured shape anyway so i lay it out flat, let it come up to temperature, and then pull it, stretching it slightly.

most plastics and rubber have a "molecular" memory and tend to return to the original state.

[delta9nxs]

Originally Posted by gmanwho

Looks like someones been busy!!!

actually, all the work you see here in both rooms, including the framing and paneling of the veg room, all electrical and plumbing, was mostly done by one person, my assistant, the Thin Man.

i've gotten to the point where all the little injuries sustained in life are creeping up on me and i am in quite a bit of low grade but continuous pain. nothing specific just all over and i need some help. being legal has it's advantages.

i had to do everything myself when i lived back in dumbfuckistan.

'bout to start popping some beans!

[gmanwho]

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

actually, all the work you see here in both rooms, including the framing and paneling of the veg room, all electrical and plumbing, was mostly done by one person, my assistant, the Thin Man.

i've gotten to the point where all the little injuries sustained in life are creeping up on me and i am in quite a bit of low grade but continuous pain. nothing specific just all over and i need some help. being legal has it's advantages.

i had to do everything myself when i lived back in dumbfuckistan.

'bout to start popping some beans!

well then we must thank the thin man for putting up with the foreman.


what are you gonna be starting for seeds.?? so so many out there now. there are so many good choices too. as much as i would like to see the x c99 crosses in there........ i would actually like to see you pull some packs out of hiding more so. never know what those tired hands are hiding ) less worry on my end too!!


whats your ceiling height in there?

what did you go with for lighting an bulbs??

ac's?

enquiring minds want to know

[delta9nxs]

Originally Posted by gmanwho

well then we must thank the thin man for putting up with the foreman.


what are you gonna be starting for seeds.?? so so many out there now. there are so many good choices too. as much as i would like to see the x c99 crosses in there........ i would actually like to see you pull some packs out of hiding more so. never know what those tired hands are hiding ) less worry on my end too!!


whats your ceiling height in there?

what did you go with for lighting an bulbs??

ac's?

enquiring minds want to know

i have a bunch of seed packs i have picked up at events around here. i really don't know much about them but they include th seeds wreckage, marionberry creamer, lord humungus (blue dream x skywalker og x wonkstar), white master kush x monster cookies, dj shorts grape crush and his whitaker blues. a vial full of some kind of pakistani, and of course the c-99 crosses. but i have multiple dispensary sources for some tga subcool stuff and some crockett family farm stuff. i have karma walk (lemon walker x karma bitch) from propa seeds in my dirty hands too.

also been loading clones as fast as i can get them. quite a few ppk users here now and they have been very kind letting me walk through their rooms with scissors.

these rooms here are my personal spaces. i have spent most of my time here so far designing other folks rooms so this is like my special place.

the veg room has 9' ceilings, the flower room has a pitched roof going from 11'6" to 13'6".

i have been buying used sunlight supply ac/de fixtures most with one run on them because the folks that bought them were trying to flower with them in 8' rooms and burnt the shit out of their plants.

these lights are a whole different class of plant lighting compared to mogul socket hps.

i have a par meter and am getting some incredible readings. i think these fixtures are probably the best for putting a square footprint evenly onto a 5x5.

with that in mind i'm going to go horizontal scrog for the first time in 12 years.

i've got some learning to do!

the rooms are cooled with 7 25000 btu window shakers that exhaust into the air space around the veg room. it's about 4000 cu ft and has can fans with ducting for intake and 3 powered roof vent fans at the apex controlled with thermostats for exhaust.

the ac's are sears kenmore elites which are fridgidairs. 600 each but i got the extended 3 year warranty for another 175 each as it forces a sears tech to come to the site for repairs. because they are not really worth the tech's time repairing they just replace them. heh, heh, heh! i'm going to wear these mofo's out!

both rooms are well sealed and hold co2 nicely.

i want to run this facility on a perpetual schedule so i've got a 3 month sequence loading a few plants at a time. that will be challenging as i will be changing settings daily to maintain temps and rh.

once fully loaded it should run very stable as the approx plant mass will never change.

i don't use master controllers as i have found that i can balance rooms using the various devices face controls.

i read you mentioning nutrient injectors. they are not necessary and may actually be detrimental in a ppk.

i have been operating reservoirs using the principle of "mass balance" for years now with no symptoms or displays.

here is a link to dr bugbee's short paper on the subject;

https://cpl.usu.edu/files/publication...b__9984184.pdf

in the ppk we start with a body of nutrients at the original npk ratio and then replenish with the original npk ratio. it takes a long time for the ratio to become unbalanced. you can observe the ph and when it becomes hard to keep it under about 6.5 a total changeout is due.

bugbee suggests that trying to maintain the solution at the original concentration could lead to antagonism's or stimulations as it is normal for a percentage of n-p-k to be missing from the solution as these 3, especially, are being taken up at high speed by the plants.

in other words, if you were monitoring the solution for individual elements and finding some elements in the recirculating part lower than your input it is simply a sign of healthy plants feeding.

[gmanwho]

room sounds amazing. good work.

read some of bugabees paper, my attention span lately to process multiple pages of info is pretty much about 5-8 minutes lately. skimmed thru some of the article..... an sounds to me like he was growing lettuce or some other vegatable. if or where he states his relation to growing is to like feeding the pet dog,as it eats the same every day. which couldnt be further from the truth.

but getting the new plants to consume what the mid later flowering doesnt want is gonna be your high wire act. i think it would work. an think its a great approach.

after reading what i could , i thought growing under some older lighting to todays lighting is like feeding your family couch dog vs a mushing dog.

that balance would be some cosmic shit right there..

happy new year.... love the setup. im along for the ride. i'd love for you to teach me the mass balance. im alll ears buddy...

[delta9nxs]

i don't know how qualified i am to teach the subject but i think i can demonstrate it. we'll see.

for those interested the 50/50 by volume of cleaned but not screened turface mvp and cleaned perlite xlp grade came out to 38.8% air filled porosity.

on the upper end of the preferred range of 30-40% but may prove to be beneficial later in the grow.

with the tailpiece packed with the xlp over the grating and the 38.8% afp i don't expect to have to deal with any failures to drain.

[TurboCharged]

Hey D9 don't mean to bug you but what air gap do you run with a 7gal top, 3.5gal bottom with a 3" tailpiece filled with chunky perlite and tupur for the media in the tub? I've ran a 4", 5" and even tried a 6" air gap and they all seem to keep the tupur really wet. Like I can barely tell a difference in wetness. I pulse feed about a quart or maybe a lil more every 90 minutes, i have zero drainage issues. Plants all look amazing I just wondered if you knew better for that setup. Thank you for sharing this amazing growing technique!!

[delta9nxs]

Originally Posted by TurboCharged

Hey D9 don't mean to bug you but what air gap do you run with a 7gal top, 3.5gal bottom with a 3" tailpiece filled with chunky perlite and tupur for the media in the tub? I've ran a 4", 5" and even tried a 6" air gap and they all seem to keep the tupur really wet. Like I can barely tell a difference in wetness. I pulse feed about a quart or maybe a lil more every 90 minutes, i have zero drainage issues. Plants all look amazing I just wondered if you knew better for that setup. Thank you for sharing this amazing growing technique!!

howdy! we ran 4.5-5" with tupur. coco in general has the greatest capillary rise of any substrate i know of. 7-8" or more. and the greatest retention. it holds water like a sponge until the matric potential is met. if your plants look good you've got it but if they start showing any yellowing from the bottom up you might change the interval from 90 min to 2 hours.

and you're welcome!

[TurboCharged]

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

howdy! we ran 4.5-5" with tupur. coco in general has the greatest capillary rise of any substrate i know of. 7-8" or more. and the greatest retention. it holds water like a sponge until the matric potential is met. if your plants look good you've got it but if they start showing any yellowing from the bottom up you might change the interval from 90 min to 2 hours.

and you're welcome!

Thank you! I have been around for a long time so I have tried pretty much everything under the sun and PPK is some of the most interesting growth I have ever seen. I'm at week 7 in veg and I have roughly 3' x 3' BUSHES of 100% happy plants! Flipping them in a week. Couple strains have stupid stretch and one throwns crazy chunks so pretty much I'm going for monsters. Btw this is my first PPK run, I did my research for a while to truly grasp the whole concept for what it was to what it became. Slowly gathered the RIGHT parts. I didn't cut corners and now it's almost running too good to be true, but really from everything I learned from doing reading on them I'm not that surprised at what I'm seeing.

Again thank you everyone for paving the way here!