[Raho]

Originally Posted by Elmer Bud

Nope .
91 Sk Va is Super skunk made by Nevil in the mid 80s .

Sam grew 10s of thousands to breed away from the RKS . Nevil tried to put it back in with a cross with a plant from Jim Ortega .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

EB my friend, I think you're the only guy I know that believes Chem 91 is plain old Super Skunk.
It may have super skunk in it, but it is a hybrid if so. I know you base a lot of your perspective on flower structure, and can see what makes you think that.

The first time I rolled into town in Mendo on a greyhound bus from San Francisco, it was spring '85, I had to wait for my friend to meet me to take me up the mountain to the cabin. I hung out in town for a couple of hours by the laundromat, and no shit, the entire town smelled like a skunk had sprayed it.
The ENTIRE FREAKING TOWN.

These weren't seeds from Sacred Seeds or Cutlivators Choice. Nothing to do with Sam.
It was mostly indica, and it stunk to high heaven.

By the time Sam and whoever else who was involved in working the strain known today as "Skunk #1" was done, it had little to anything in common with the countless indica based lines that evolved in the hills of northern California, Oregon, and all over the country that everyone back then called "skunk."

Sam used the name "skunk" for his strain, to describe something seriously un-skunk like, barely related to the lines that created the notoriety. In doing so, he mind-fucked multiple generations of growers for the last 25 to 30 years.

Nevil has nailed it when he said the skunk archetype was an indica, and he found his best example of it in the AfgT pheno he selected from Jim Ortega's seeds.

We talk about that plant today, not because Ortega was the source of all skunk before Nevil got ahold of that plant, but because that is where Nevil found it while literally hundreds of similar unrelated skunky indica lines had been grown in the hills for years.
The odoriferous traits were so common and dominant, they persisted and spread for years despite early growers making bad crosses and selections in those early days of hippy intuition breeding.
I made my share of bad selections back then and saw my own F2's diverge and inherit bad traits from picking the wrong male. These were lines only a few generations away from their home in Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. The force was strong in them :-)

Breeders didn't kill old school skunk.
Prohibition killed the lines because the stink was a massive security risk both to grow or even to possess in public.

The high was stupefying, not uplifting, or dreamy. Like a powerful shock to the brain that just makes it flat line.

Sam's skunk isn't "that" old skunk at all. You know, the plant that smelled like a skunk?

BTW, probably the most old school skunk plant from the Chem line is actually Chem's Sister, not Chem 91. The ping pong ball flowers were a major trait of the type.

I had to look at notes from my "80's" journals to get a few details.
Man, there is a lot of good info in there, but some other shit I'd just as soon forget.

[Raho]

Originally Posted by GlandualFever

Smell is subjective. Anybody who has done a wine tasting can attest to that. Ask a whole room of people to smell the wine, and 9 times out of 10 you will get varying answers based on what subtleties each individual can pick up.Some will pick up on the wood, some on the earthiness, some on the tannin quality etc. you get answers as strange as poo, manure, grass, and then expected answers like citrus, fruity, etc. The truth is that none, and equally all answers can be right. One might notice the effect barrelling has had, and yet another on the soil characteristics of the particular grape.

Yes, smells (like "reality") are subjective because people have different abilities to differentiate, different experiences and references to frame them in, and different abilities to explain in words what their olfactory experience is.

Originally Posted by GlandualFever

So to relate this to Skunk, I think I know what I associate with skunk, and the closest association I have is the smell of the Chemdog I grew from clone - by far the reekiest plant ive ever grown, and in an offensive way.

The chem family certainly have skunk traits, but are not what people are talking about when they describe the smell of RKS or actual skunk spray. BTW: I was sprayed (lightly) by a skunk 3 years ago and grew up smelling them on the road often.

Originally Posted by GlandualFever

Why do I say this? Well isnt it part skunk 91 va - is that road kill skunk?

The name of that cutting is Chem 91 Skunk VA, and "Skunk VA" is the (forum) name of the guy that preserved the cut, not part of it's pedigree.
He is however someone who knows a lot about skunk and is the possible source of the super skunk cut that became part of the pedigree of ECSD.

[blowingupjake]

This is so frustrating.
All this arguing about what skunk smells like.

Who's actually growing the New Skunk from Mr Nice?

Any growers in this section or just talkers?
Jake

[Elmer Bud]

Originally Posted by Raho

EB my friend, I think you're the only guy I know that believes Chem 91 is plain old Super Skunk.
It may have super skunk in it, but it is a hybrid if so. I know you base a lot of your perspective on flower structure, and can see what makes you think that.

G`day Capo


Though I`m talkin about the super SK that the man SK Va traded for the Chem .
I listened to a pod cast with SK Va .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

[Raho]

Originally Posted by Elmer Bud

G`day Capo


Though I`m talkin about the super SK that the man SK Va traded for the Chem .
I listened to a pod cast with SK Va .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

It's OK EB, you SAID that "91 Sk Va is Super skunk made by Nevil in the mid 80s"
But what you MEANT was (person) Skunk VA traded his selection of Nev's Super Skunk (which became known as Mass Super Skunk, used later in the creation of ECSD) for the Chem 91 cut, and his cut is the only one known to have preserved the original Chem 91 cut to present day, hence the name "Chem 91 Skunk VA" right?

Don't worry, it seems only you, me and blowingupjake are reading this, and Jake is getting so frustrated, I think he's about to go to Chimera's forum and see if anyone have actually grown their "Ancestral Skunk."

Those old beans from Sam have been in peoples hands for a year and as far as I can tell, about 2 people have grown them.

Here's the latest:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=345588

Jake, you should get some of these New Skunk seeds from Shanti and show everyone what's in there. I bet it will be something great.

[Transcendence66]

Growing up in South Florida 1979 I remember getting mexican bags for $25.
Not an ounce but 5 fingers ha. Wish I saved seeds then. Then came sense bud, smelled like Christmas. 1983/85 Skunk~ No mistaking that wretched rancid stench....Brings a smile to my face. So if you have never had it or smelled it, you would intuitively know what it was. Like no other smell period. Lol you couldn't hide it, everyone knew. PeAcE!

[mack 10]

It was SSSC superskunk.
Don't think Nev had anything to do with SSSC.
That was 2 other Dutch guys.

According to Skunk Va, (where chem got the Now renamed Mass Super skunk from)
The seeds where from the SSSC.

[Elmer Bud]

Originally Posted by mack 10

It was SSSC superskunk.
Don't think Nev had anything to do with SSSC.
That was 2 other Dutch guys.

According to Skunk Va, (where chem got the Now renamed Mass Super skunk from)
The seeds where from the SSSC.

G `day M10

SSSC didn`t sell super skunk .
They sold Basic 5 x Skunk #1 aka M39 aka NL #5 / SK .

Super Sativa Seed Club - Skunk 1-Basic 5 Hybrid

M39
Skunk 1, a real winner, crossed with the Basic 5. The Basic 5 is a variety which has been cultivated successfully in Holland for quite some years and which has demonstrated it's value very well in indoor growing as well as in outdoorgrowing.

The female Basic 5, which proved to be the best during commercial cultivating, has been chosen by us to be the seed-mother for this hybrid. The Basic 5 is small, solid and thick-set Indica plant with heavy buds, covered plentifully with resin. So, suited very well for indoor growing, the high is extremely heavy.

This hybrid assures excellent results for both, indoor and outdoor growing. Using the plantlet method, an indoor yield of 2000 grammes per sq. meter is possible. The yield outdoors depends fully on the growing method employed. A few large plants provide fine crop, while more small plants give a better yield. Super Skunk is a different cross from Nevil . A cpl of years later .

@ Capo

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chem d
chem 4
91 chem a - the skun va cut form skunk va at og [ This one I think is the super Sk . ]
91 chem b- another 91 cut inspecta gave me very good
orginal d/dawyrecker- legit cut
double dawg

Thanks for sharin

EB .

[mack 10]

Must of been Skunk #1 then.
That was straight from skunk va, aka good 'ole dog.

[Elmer Bud]

Originally Posted by mack 10

Must of been Skunk #1 then.
That was straight from skunk va, aka good 'ole dog.

G `day M10

I listened to an hour of Sk Va on the Pot Cast .
Serious waste of an hour . nom nom nom Jerry`s Garcia`s balls are so salty .

Soon as he started saying SSSC Super Skunk I knew he didn`t know what he was talkin asbout . He kept bangin on about SSSC and Super Sk . I personally believe its super sk but from Nevil / sensi seeds . Going by the structure its an Affie cross aka AF / SK aka Super Sk .
The MSS came from from his buddies . I don`t think he ordered or struck the seeds .

He organised his buddies to swap MSS for Chem on the East coast , while he was in Cali . Not the guy who discovered MSS .

Thanks for sharin

EB .