[Can of Bliss]

Thanks! I'm a hobby grower, so even one of those plants is bigger than I want, but I like to learn and try to modify systems for my applications.

Really tight job with the mainlining. Have any tips on making that work so well?

A idea to improve your efficiency; 2 600's horizontal, maybe 4" between them. Don't turn on the second one til the plants are tall enough to need it. Have you tried vegging with HPS? They stretch a little more, but that's not a problem with some strains. It also simplifies.

[SuperWeed]

Originally Posted by Can of Bliss

Thanks! I'm a hobby grower, so even one of those plants is bigger than I want, but I like to learn and try to modify systems for my applications.

Oh yes, I have a micro ppk going right now; 3.5" x 3.5" square pots with mothers. PPK is genius. Delta9 is a genius.

Originally Posted by Can of Bliss

Really tight job with the mainlining. Have any tips on making that work so well?

“The master key to success is self-discipline" - Napoleon Hill

Originally Posted by Can of Bliss

A idea to improve your efficiency; 2 600's horizontal, maybe 4" between them. Don't turn on the second one til the plants are tall enough to need it.

That's a good idea. This would work with smaller plants in a tighter canopy. 600's don't have the same penetration. The smaller green caged plants in my thread were run under 600's until the last 3 weeks of their life. They were all over a pound. Some a pound and a half. 600's do a good job. We raised and lowered our lights as necessary, to keep them at the right distance to the middle of the bulb at a slight upward angle. If that makes sense.

Originally Posted by Can of Bliss

Have you tried vegging with HPS? They stretch a little more, but that's not a problem with some strains. It also simplifies.

Yes I have. It works. We just ran with mh. Seems to make the plant veg a little faster, which helps when you grow monsters.

Good questions!

[delta9nxs]

wow, what a story! welcome to oregon! surround yourself with nice, smart people and avoid the idiots and you'll do great here.

my wife and i have been here 3 years now and are doing very well.

we were wiped out financially by a bust in TN. but got no jail time as we had a low plant count and i was a 63 year old cancer/liver transplant patient at the time.

you folks really got brutalized! no compassion there!

sorry for all your pain and suffering but at least it got you here to a safe place.

if you are ever in the eugene area let me know and we could meet for lunch.

d9

[SuperWeed]

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

wow, what a story! welcome to oregon! surround yourself with nice, smart people and avoid the idiots and you'll do great here.

my wife and i have been here 3 years now and are doing very well.

we were wiped out financially by a bust in TN. but got no jail time as we had a low plant count and i was a 63 year old cancer/liver transplant patient at the time.

you folks really got brutalized! no compassion there!

sorry for all your pain and suffering but at least it got you here to a safe place.

if you are ever in the eugene area let me know and we could meet for lunch.

d9

You sir, have no idea how much of an impact you have made on my life, especially in terms of my skill-set. I appreciate you beyond measure.

I'm in jackson county, I really have no idea where I am yet. LOL

What do you think of the DTW version of the PPK?

[delta9nxs]

Originally Posted by SuperWeed

You sir, have no idea how much of an impact you have made on my life, especially in terms of my skill-set. I appreciate you beyond measure.

I'm in jackson county, I really have no idea where I am yet. LOL

What do you think of the DTW version of the PPK?

thank you very much! this is how i get my reward!

it's kind of funny, in a way, that i have yet to make a dime from the ppk itself. this is in terms of marketing it or sellng rights to it, or anything like that.

i could have patented it in the beginning, 7 years ago, but now it has been in the public domain too long to be patented.

but that's alright because now i am consulting, producing personally in a legal environment, and meeting a lot of really nice folks that i would not have met otherwise. i'm leading a very rewarding and fulfilling life full of giving and receiving.

again, thank you for trying the ppk!

jackson county has perhaps the best overall weather in the state and is a nice place to live. you got lucky if you landed there accidentally.

i can't find much fault with your drain to waste version because of your yields. my only concern would be whether or not the fiber wick will move enough water upward by itself to backfeed these big plants in case of an automated failure of some kind.

i have run drain to waste versions myself for special purposes and have used a medium filled tailpiece and a lower bucket with a hole in it at about 3-4" down from the rim. i was usually top watering by hand occasionally just enough to get a slight trickle out of the hole each time. the excess was caught in a large plant saucer so evaporated between waterings. this set up was used for maintaining mothers and for early veg.

but, really, it is just a slight step further to a very reliable automated full recirculating system. i can maintain very tight parameters in the reservoirs by simply steering the solution once in a while.

i'm about to try to achieve a balanced reservoir feeding 28 plants, 16 in flower and 12 in the power veg area which i use as a shaping, acclimating tool. all of these plants will be under intense de lighting.

i hope to find the perfect balance point where the reservoir remains stable with one input strength under the demands of 28 plants in every stage of life, harvested on a perpetual schedule.

i'm close to that now.

[BillFarthing]

Originally Posted by SuperWeed

This design, with the plants literally growing around the light at optimum light distance (about 21" -

So that makes your cages are 42" across? I am really intrigued by your vertical grow style.

[SuperWeed]

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

thank you very much! this is how i get my reward!

it's kind of funny, in a way, that i have yet to make a dime from the ppk itself. this is in terms of marketing it or sellng rights to it, or anything like that.

i could have patented it in the beginning, 7 years ago, but now it has been in the public domain too long to be patented.

but that's alright because now i am consulting, producing personally in a legal environment, and meeting a lot of really nice folks that i would not have met otherwise. i'm leading a very rewarding and fulfilling life full of giving and receiving.

again, thank you for trying the ppk!

jackson county has perhaps the best overall weather in the state and is a nice place to live. you got lucky if you landed there accidentally.

i can't find much fault with your drain to waste version because of your yields. my only concern would be whether or not the fiber wick will move enough water upward by itself to backfeed these big plants in case of an automated failure of some kind.

i have run drain to waste versions myself for special purposes and have used a medium filled tailpiece and a lower bucket with a hole in it at about 3-4" down from the rim. i was usually top watering by hand occasionally just enough to get a slight trickle out of the hole each time. the excess was caught in a large plant saucer so evaporated between waterings. this set up was used for maintaining mothers and for early veg.

but, really, it is just a slight step further to a very reliable automated full recirculating system. i can maintain very tight parameters in the reservoirs by simply steering the solution once in a while.

i'm about to try to achieve a balanced reservoir feeding 28 plants, 16 in flower and 12 in the power veg area which i use as a shaping, acclimating tool. all of these plants will be under intense de lighting.

i hope to find the perfect balance point where the reservoir remains stable with one input strength under the demands of 28 plants in every stage of life, harvested on a perpetual schedule.

i'm close to that now.

Now that is fascinating! Just like the Kratky cucumbers in trash cans! That is how I stumbled on the PPK, looking for a way to implement wick based systems as redundancy. Blumats would clog, even with Jacks. I made leaps and bounds, as soon as I read your posts. I'm sorry it took me so long to give thanks.

I did land in jackson by accident as a matter of fact. So far, so good! As soon as I have pm ability again, I'm going to hit you up on that lunch offer!

Originally Posted by BillFarthing

So that makes your cages are 42" across? I am really intrigued by your vertical grow style.

Actually, some of these cages were at 25" for the 600's and 35" for the thousands. A bulb is 3" across, so you are still technically 19" of the center of the light. I was tight on space in the rooms, so we brought in the cages a little. Sooo, that means it was 35" across. I think. This was a couple years ago.

Basically you want the center of your canopy to receive about 1100-1200 umol. So, you have to play with that a little, based on bulbs, ballasts, etc.

[SuperWeed]

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

thank you very much! this is how i get my reward!

I forgot to say you're welcome! Thank you!

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

it's kind of funny, in a way, that i have yet to make a dime from the ppk itself. this is in terms of marketing it or sellng rights to it, or anything like that.

i could have patented it in the beginning, 7 years ago, but now it has been in the public domain too long to be patented.

I understand. It's part of the reason I hadn't posted my pics. It's my interpretation and the methodology is unique. But, I've been reading up on success a lot lately (being broke makes you do things you should have done when you were a teenager) and I have to quit thinking with a competitive mindset. I am here to create. The money will follow. So sayeth the Universe.

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

but that's alright because now i am consulting, producing personally in a legal environment, and meeting a lot of really nice folks that i would not have met otherwise. i'm leading a very rewarding and fulfilling life full of giving and receiving.

This sounds like a good career path. I'm taking notes.

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

again, thank you for trying the ppk!

Thank you for inventing it. The ppk as far as I can tell recreates mother nature pretty much perfectly.

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

i can't find much fault with your drain to waste version because of your yields. my only concern would be whether or not the fiber wick will move enough water upward by itself to backfeed these big plants in case of an automated failure of some kind.

i have run drain to waste versions myself for special purposes and have used a medium filled tailpiece and a lower bucket with a hole in it at about 3-4" down from the rim. i was usually top watering by hand occasionally just enough to get a slight trickle out of the hole each time. the excess was caught in a large plant saucer so evaporated between waterings. this set up was used for maintaining mothers and for early veg.

Yes, this. I like the idea of OctoPot's fiber bags, for this reason. I have considered adopting some of their design into my own.

My last design had a small netpot bucket lid, the net pot being filled with coco, about one inch off the water level. The wick ran through the bag, down the netpot and into the water. The fabric bag sitting on the netpot lid, roots would grow right through the bag, down into the netpot. This place was busted, right after the roots hit the water. That setup was 5gal fabric pots, with 3 gal reservoir buckets, just to see if I could attain the same results with less overall media. I think there is more of a limit to what the canopy can do, than what we can do with building a large root structure.

The next design will have the watering "needs-based". I plan to use a control bucket with a heavy duty float valve rigged to the dosers. When the water level goes down, the float opens the dosers and the plants fertigate themselves. Should eliminate the electrical automation of watering.

It's the simplest version of "needs based watering" that I could come up with. Everything else requires equipment; tensiometers, scales, etc. There are some very sophisticated toys out there, but if I can do it the simple way, I will.

I have a miniature ppk model with bonsai moms going, right now.



As they use up the water, the float triggers a small pump in the aerated mini-reservoir, they get saturated quickly, drain off and about 10% goes down the drain. 10% is what commercial tomato farmers claim in bato buckets with perlite. It works like a peach. Uses less than a quart a day, with these little mums.

I have 0 budget and am using spare pieces and parts these guys have laying around to tinker.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by delta9nxs

but, really, it is just a slight step further to a very reliable automated full recirculating system. i can maintain very tight parameters in the reservoirs by simply steering the solution once in a while.

i'm about to try to achieve a balanced reservoir feeding 28 plants, 16 in flower and 12 in the power veg area which i use as a shaping, acclimating tool. all of these plants will be under intense de lighting.

i hope to find the perfect balance point where the reservoir remains stable with one input strength under the demands of 28 plants in every stage of life, harvested on a perpetual schedule.

i'm close to that now.

And this is where I went crazy with Kratky, because that is the next level. Total control.

Thanks again D9!

[Loc Dog]

Originally Posted by SuperWeed

If one of the moderators would please give me the ability to edit my posts? I am appalled at my spelling errors.

You need 50 posts to edit. Almost there.

[SuperWeed]

Originally Posted by Loc Dog

You need 50 posts to edit. Almost there.

I only asked, because I am a really old member, despite the "newbie" status. I don't know why it all reset. It's no worries. I will just keep posting.

Let's just pray I always have something worth posting! LOL