[MountZionCollec]

As I'm planning out my seeds for next year I am leaning more towards less strains and more numbers of them to ensure I find many perfect mothers. Having only 10 females to choose from is JUST enough to guarantee a winner in most departments, oily high resin yields-stinky-reasonable yield-mite and mold resistance, healthy overall plant good at up taking nutrients and isn't too nutrient sensitive....so for every 10 females I expect to find 1 Winner, On average. So if If I want a Mrs perfect and if I want to have a good selection to choose based on terpene ratios I need 20 minimum females of each strain so that I have more then 1 perfect mother.

[_tessarecting]

Whats your plan for your moms you find?

[MountZionCollec]

Originally Posted by _tessarecting

Whats your plan for your moms you find?

I'll be running them commercially in 2018. Competing them against each other looking for the best to keep. I'll keep multiple of each strain of there perfect.

I'll also be passing them around to local farmers.

Eventually I would like to have a full spectrum of mothers from ultra indicas to ultra sativas all good for commercial production. Once prices drop beneath $500 a pound and they allow people to expand (5-7years away my guess) I'll expand to An acre and will run about 2000 plants outdoors so I need plants that can be grown in a commercial environment and still not get mold or attacked by bugs. Once the state starts mold and pesticide testing in a couple years I'll have strains that can easily pass. I also want to find the best because I only want to smoke the best!

I will keep them indefinitely to ensure my favorite genetics are kept alive and passed on to the next generation. So much has been lost. I'm keeping males for that reason, only keep the toughest. Eventually maybe make seed just to keep lines alive and to look for stuff for myself? I'm also saving the best fruit bearing trees of all types! I want to save the best of everything I can! So much is available now that most likely won't be available in the future.

Eventually far down the line may turn it into a farm cooperative sort of arrangement. Once the prices really drop and the quality starts increasing plus mold and pesticide tests rejecting people I'll have farm model that will be able to compete very well and comfortably to $400 a pound and if need be lower, all the while hand trimming tops and trimpaling + hand cleanup of smalls and middle nugs on an organic and well processed product. So we may add more farmers and farms to the mix and provide them with the strains to grow, how to grow and process them as well as doing the sales for them which will be almost impossible in a few years for smaller/middle sized growers with the distributors and all the brand names.

All just possibilities. My main goal is finding the best commercial product to provide for my patients and to save for the next generation.

[_tessarecting]

I appreciate your perspective on all that thanks for your reply. I've heard of packs going for that low this year! I can't imagine what they looked like tho.

[MountZionCollec]

Originally Posted by _tessarecting

I appreciate your perspective on all that thanks for your reply. I've heard of packs going for that low this year! I can't imagine what they looked like tho.

Lol ya during the Washington state price crisis of 2015 I think bulk outdoor was going for under $500 during the flood. I think the price would have kept dropping quicker in California if not for regulations and the heavy government intervention that is now happening on the market so I believe this will slow down the price collapse that is occuring. Once the mold and pesticide tests kick in that is estimated to reject at least 50% of the supply. They did a test in San Fran on nugs comparing them to the Oregon standards and close to 80% of the cannabis products tested would be Rejected and not allowed to be sold just on pesticide criteria, they didn't test for mold probably would have rejected closer to 90%. . That will slow the price drop. I think prices could DEF get that low before my 5 year prediction but I don't expect it'll get to $400 for average outdoor, if so most of the market will be knocked out at those prices.

[MountZionCollec]

I've changed the plant numbers and made the changes to my first post to keep it updated. I was going to do 450 females but I'm leaning to 400 now spaced at 4' per female. Regular seeds will be planted at 2' spacing since they won't be sexed by the time of transplant and feminized will be planted at 4' spacing.

I'm doing 150 clones from last years mothers and 250 from seed. I will keep a solid 20 males from each regular and whittle it down to the pm resistant. Looking to keep 3-10 males per strain and 10-20 females. I want as many to choose from in the offseason as possible to guarantee I find multiple Ms perfects to run commercially in 2018.

[MountZionCollec]

Ok So after a winter of hibernation I will begin posting as I go along.

Soil testing by Logans labs, analysis and recommendations for soil done by Michael Astera with soilmineralsDOTcom.

everything grown in ground in rows spaced 5-6' apart. Spacing of cannabis plants is currently planned at 6', giving us ~250+ females. 2/3rds seeds from Skunkman and Chimera, most of which are regular and will be planted at half distance, 1/3 mothers chosen last year that are winners in many categories.

I have been preparing my Perennial food garden for the past month. We have 50 of 60 fruit trees planted, 9/50 blackberries/rasberries, 10/18 grapes, 2/2 currants, 2/2 edible roses.

i have done extensive research to choose the plants with the latest bloom time and hardiest for cold that I could find. any loser i find I will tear out and I will order another experiment. My goal is to collect every berry available to grow at my location, will end up collecting at least 100+ grape types, 100+ blackberries and rasberries, 100+ fruit trees of every type available to grow at my location, plus lots of other edible and medicinal plants.

[MountZionCollec]

varieties

figs
chicago hardy, excel, Cordi stella, Violet de Bordeaux, Nordland, lattarula italian honey

Edible rosehips-Darts dash, Rosa Rugosa Alba

European Plums/Prunes-Imperial Epineuse, D'agen French, mount royal, stanely, French improved, italian, bavay green gage.

Asian plums-Emerald Beaut, Candyheart Pluerry=hybrid with Cherry.

currant-black consort, red wilder

nectarine-Harko, arctic blaze, Lizs late, independence, hardired, arctic queen, mericrest, heavenly white.

pear-bosc, warren, bartlett, blakes pride, potomac, comice, D'anjou, Seckel, onward, harrow delight, atlantic queen

Mullberry-Pakistan, Persian, black beauty, illinois ever bearing, oscar, wellington, El Dorado, Silk hope, kokusa, Sweet lavender, Noir De Spain.

Apple-Golden Russet, Ashmead Kearnel, spitzenburg, hudsons golden Gem, Arkansas black.

Peach-indan free, Indian blood, White lady.

grapes-Agria, interlaken, canadice, reliance, jupiter, suffolk, glenora, lakemont, concord, monukka, summer muscat, perlette, flame, thompson, blueberry, himrod, globe, ruby.

maple sugar trees, siberian pea shrubs for chicken food.

blackberries-black diamond, cascade, onxy, navaho, sweetie pie, Triple crown, lochness, arapaho, osage, chester, natchez, apache, dewberry, black satin, darrow, Tupi, Von, Prime Ark-freedom, prime ark traveler, prime ark-45. a few more I havent added to my notes yet so dont have name.

blackberry rasberry hybrids-boysenberry, marionberry, loganberry

rasberry-caroline, cascade gold, meeker, polka, rosanna, tulameen, jewel black, autumn britten, dorman, latham, prelude, heritage, anne yellow, mac black, cumberland black, glencoe purple, ukee, encore, bristol black, joan j, georgia, amber yellow, purple royalty, double gold, niwot black.

[MountZionCollec]

I will be adding on to the drying room area this year. I will be adding in a 40' refrigerator shipping container to add to my 20' normal shipping container.

Both will have evaporative coolers for keeping the Temperatures on my trying room below 72 degrees, ans the humidity above 40% RH.....and both will have propane wall mounted heaters to keep the temps above 64 degrees and the RH below 65%.

I will be making the shift over to nitrogen sealing this year. Not sure which type yet. I wish they had tin cans to seal in that could fit 1/2 pound to 1 pound in each Can sealed with Nitrogen. That's my longterm goal for sealing for wholesale.

[budchopper]

what`s your distance above sea level? can you grow persimmons? and how about a special seed sorting/storage area? you must be having a good time juggling all your activities.