[mack 10]

+one for the palm oil,
That was an old trick to get that bubble effect when touched with a lighter.
Seed oil is also used.
Also makes the hash 'sticky' which the Moroccans quickly realised they
Could double there money, selling this so called new style sticky hash.
I wouldnt be surprised if they are adding oil as you would taste the alcohol
If that was used.

True high grade hash will be soft in warm temps, or when handled
But will go rock hard when cold.
If you dropped it on a hard surface,it should shatter.
Or the type where a ball of it, left in warm room
Would collapse almost flat.
These newer types are always sticky.

Genetics dependant of course.

[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by Elmer Bud

G `day GC

Morocco folks might not have great educations .
But they are far from stupid . When they saw the ice o lator hash selling for 30 + euros when their dry sift was selling for 6-8 Euro a gram .

These days there are entire valleys running fem seeds from Spain . Drying indoors and making bubble hash . About the same amount of labour and tripple the returns .

Next thing will be the moaning about the disappearing trad sifted hash ...

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Hi
Iceolator made in Morocco has been around Amsterdam for some years now, and from looking at the menus:
https://www.coffeeshopmenus.org/CoffeeshopMenus.htm
..there really seems to be lots of Moroc grown western hybrid hash in town atm.

But i doubt that the dry sift and the traditional genetics will disappear because there is a good market for those. I personally smoke (only) the traditional kinds, cause why would i smoke expensive iceolator in Adam when i can make such stuff at home. Many hash-heads visiting Adam seem to smoke lots of the Traditional kinds also, so i can see there is a market for these..



Like ChaosCatalunya mentioned, there's still loads of small time farmers in Morocco and not everyone can afford to buy western genetics. And does every Moroccan farmer want to smoke western THC-only hash themselves?? i doubt it.

[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by ChaosCatalunya

Yes, like you and kaochiu say, it is suspiciously soft, for how strong it is, and does not burn right, too oily.... is what everybody is saying. I spoke to a guy yesterday who goes over and makes it every year, his own is clean btw, but not the cheapest at 6. He and one other person I know who were there said they thought it was palm oil they were cutting it with, one said it was 10%.

But, not all gets messed with, it is lots of small farms, not large well organised businesses, so a lot of variation and every year, feedback from the market, which is increasingly run by Moroccans in Spain.

The best stuff I have seen was unreal, dry sift made in a freezer truck, this is the way forward folks. E60/g in a regular club, amazing price, quality. I have a short vid I will try to post soon. You would laugh if anybody tried to get a flame near it.

Yea, the 6 euros/g sticky hash , with a good possibility, can be adulturted with something out side cannabis plant. But the stuff i smoked in Adam was clean. Tasted just like pollen kinds, no foreign substances.

But people report getting adulturated hash in Adam also. MAny times Nepalis have been mentioned, even with charas that costs around 13 euros/g. So not every hash slab in Adam Coffeeshops is clean either.

[ChaosCatalunya]

The 6e/g hash was straight, not cut with oil or anything, the guy who made it is a friend, he has a IC account too , but is not here often, he is a lot better known on his homecountry forum. They are selling 2kg packs of 30 different varieties as a mixed pack for the clubs to sell on. I guess this is so they dont get bogged down with people trying to test slightly different qualities.

I asked him about the cutting of hash, but he didnt really known anything.. he just goes to one farm on one hill and does his thing there with them, he doesnt prop up bars in popular trafficker routes getting all the gossip.

[kaochiu]

Back in 2004 I was offered to buy a plot of land near Bab Berred (didn't we all?!) but one of the conditions i had to take into account was the Pasha's permit. But the Pasha's permit is not an official one. The seller told me that they (Pasha's gang) measure the fields and you've got to sell them a (lion's share) chunk of the production at a given (very, very low) price.
There also were clandestine co-ops to proccess all the extra plants, and that's were they make their bizz.
Because, if you think about it, having a couple of hectares for bud production just for yourself would mean you'd be rich as fuck, yet most farmers are far from rich.
Also for the market control, dutch and spanish i don't know the share, but them riffians say "the italians". Maybe is a generalization for the people involved, but definitely they used to call them "the italians" until the last time i was there in 2010, (been last year too, but only for a weekend break in Chaouen). Global criminal market is always subjected to big changes, anyway.
They also said the whole winnings are for the royals and they invest it in the long dispute of Western Sahara.
They also told me it was much more hash in the Atlas than in the Rif!

[mack 10]

Makes sense, did always puzzle me how broke those farmers are.
Pashsa gang sucks.
Cause even at 1e/g x a couple of hectares you'd do alright.

[Tynehead Tom]

Originally Posted by GoatCheese

Looks like some of the Amnesia stuff they sell i Amsterdam. Never tried any myself, cause i like the traditional kinds.



I have had some of these supersoft expensive Moroccan hashes in Adam. I don't think they are "adulterated", but these are not pure pollen either. I think they make oil of the low quality hash and then mix some of this oil with dry pollen to make these super softs.
But these were from a top rated coffeeshop not the streets

Of course it is prolly easier to "cut" the hash now, cause it looks strange to begin with, but the stuff i smoked in Adam few years ago burned clean and tasted like it's supposed to. ..but again streets can be very different.

Enjoy ...i wish i had the hash connections back home what you Spanish boys can have over there



EDIT:


BTW, how much is that Amnesia pollen Spain /gram? ..in Adam prolly 12-15 euros/g

I bet yer right about the oil being added to make the soft stuff.
In my own hash making adventures, I like to take my water extracted hash, press it unheated and roll it into a sheet. The I use ethanol and do a quick wash thru high grade trim frozen to -18C. 1 x500ml bottle to 2 ounces of premium trim. The quick wash is just a pour thru, done at sub zero temps.
then I reduce that wash to oil and it always hardens up to a sticky toffee.
reconstituting the two together , the hash and the "oil" , I end up with a hard hash that easily warms to a nice non sticky putty.
I like to wrap it in parchment and store it in my canning room with a weight on top for a month or more to cure. My friends just go nuts for it. LOL

[Dog Star]

Morocco people have great education,

mathematic program for kids is strongest in a World,most of a
Morocco folks talk few languages atleast...

according to a British university's research.Moroccans are the most intelligent people in the world for many reasons.these are the ones i can remember:
_ their ability to learn and speak languages.you can find a moroccan 10-12 years old kid who speak Arabic and frensh fluently and average English.add to that the local language who s a bit like Arabic and amazigh.that s about 4-5 languages.
_their ability to adapt and live in all environments can find ministers ans mayors of moroccan origins in many countrys(France-Spain-holland-belgium...).
_their success in mathematics:moroccan academic math program is one of the most complicated in the world (way more diffucult than europeans or usa program).
_you can find moroccan scientists in the greatest centers of scientific research.( even in the NASA there are moroccan scientists).
on top of that.40% of moroccans are illeterate and not everyone attend school.


All the best

DS

Originally Posted by Elmer Bud

G `day GC

Morocco folks might not have great educations .
But they are far from stupid . When they saw the ice o lator hash selling for 30 + euros when their dry sift was selling for 6-8 Euro a gram .

These days there are entire valleys running fem seeds from Spain . Drying indoors and making bubble hash . About the same amount of labour and tripple the returns .

Next thing will be the moaning about the disappearing trad sifted hash ...

Thanks for sharin

EB .

[NotYourSaviour]

Thanks for explaining 'worked' and giving interesting insights as input, folks!


As said before so many people and different approaches involved.
Though if you know a bit about 'rif berber' and their mentality/hierarchies it is unlikely that there is only one huge gang involved about protection money. I think there are several of such people involved each wanting their share of the cake beside a lot of small farms sometimes more sometimes less connected to others. Only guesswork and hearsay though as usual.
Anyways, as pointed out utter chaos due to the illegality of this business in itsself with only rough standards of quality.


@GoatCheese


Been to Spain last year and can tell you those 'Amnesia Pollen' are very similar priced compared to dutch coffeeshops. At least at those so called Social Clubs. Also similar offers. The grass was way better than in coffeeshops though and cheaper(though this is sadly changing due to increasing tourism ; it seems the same is happening there as with coffeeshops about ten years back when the hype came in!).

[Elmer Bud]

Originally Posted by Dog Star

Morocco people have great education,

mathematic program for kids is strongest in a World,most of a
Morocco folks talk few languages atleast...

according to a British university's research.Moroccans are the most intelligent people in the world for many reasons.these are the ones i can remember:
_ their ability to learn and speak languages.you can find a moroccan 10-12 years old kid who speak Arabic and frensh fluently and average English.add to that the local language who s a bit like Arabic and amazigh.that s about 4-5 languages.
_their ability to adapt and live in all environments can find ministers ans mayors of moroccan origins in many countrys(France-Spain-holland-belgium...).
_their success in mathematics:moroccan academic math program is one of the most complicated in the world (way more diffucult than europeans or usa program).
_you can find moroccan scientists in the greatest centers of scientific research.( even in the NASA there are moroccan scientists).
on top of that.40% of moroccans are illeterate and not everyone attend school.


All the best

DS

G `day Doggie

School is only compulsory till 13 years of age in Morocco .
56% of young people attend high school .

So quality education is provided . Attendance ?

Access to school education[edit]
Internal efficiency is also low with high dropout and repetition rates. There is also an unmet need of rising demand of middle schools after achieving high access rates in primary education.[12] The problem is more acute in the rural schools due to inadequate supply and quality of instructional materials. The poor quality of education becomes an even greater problem due to Arabic-Berber language issues: most of the children from Berber families hardly know any Arabic, which is the medium of instruction in schools, when they enter primary level.[3]
Literacy[edit]
Low literacy in the Maghreb region is also a major problem. In Morocco, the adult illiteracy rate is still high at around 40 percent in 2007, despite concerted efforts being made since independence in 1956 to reduce the rate of illiteracy which at that time was 87 percent. In absolute terms the number of illiterate adults has grown from six to nine million. Morocco is one of the five Arab countries that contain 70 percent of the some 70 million illiterate adults in the Arab world. In rural areas and for females the problem is even worse; three quarters of women were considered to be illiterate in 2004.[13]

I met some Moroccan folks in Spain . They didn`t seem to be highly educated . But highly intelligent none the less .

Thanks for sharin

EB .