[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by kaochiu

Just got this as a xmas pressie. It's moroccan made, tangerine hash, (tangerine as from the fruit, not from Tangiers) It does work, it does taste strong good hash, it does get you high. Yet i'm suspicious on how's made.
First, it gets you high, but looks like is gonna get you much higher.
Second, it's so sticky it becames unmanageable, looks like mixed with hash oil. The afghan way as shown in the video, cannot be done with this stuff, hands would end up like wearing hash gloves.
Third, it's available in different parts of Spain and the price is not that bad, like 6€ a gram, which means it's produced at industrial levels.
Fourth, i've been a regular visitor in the Rif from 1984-2010, and never seen anything like this, definitely is a new method with new strains. Seems like lots of things happenned these last years over there.
Fifth, i cannot imagine how that resin can be dry sifted, it'd be stuck to the mesh, suggesting other way of extraction, such ice. Perhaps a new method with solvents?
And more subtle differences. Maybe is just that, low quality hash improved with hashoil.

Beating a lot the bad hash is an old moroccan trick. For the following fifteen minutes after the beat it will look gooey, warm and easy to shape. Then it'll became rock hard. Done in bricks is the (almost) extinct soapbar, and the burnt plastic taste prolly comes from the bag of brown tape that holds the pollen while beaten.
After all, quality is proportionate to how much you beat the plant, and at the end of the day every plant gets beaten as much as it can be.
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Yea, those oil-hash types have been sold in Amsterdam for few years now. Some are more sticky than others. I have sampled few different kind, the stickiest was more or less the same as yours and came in a wax paper. Very annoying to make joints with this stuff!!



The oiliness didn't make it any more potent than the pressed pollen hash of the same price range. = The hash makers can turn their bad hash into oil and then sell it for better price mixed in with good grade pollen. They win, not the customer.
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Some "beaten" hash is actually quite good quality. The Caramello types go for 12 euros/g in Adam.
I sampled some of this kind called Super Tbisla from De Dampkring. Id guess it has some % of Paki genetics in it, it was not pure Moroccan. Earthy, more potent and stonier than Morocs.

[kaochiu]

I definitely like dry sift over any other, and tried the Rif hashes in Amsterdam. Comparing to the ones offered in the farms prolly was the same, only a bit dryer because of the trip.
Yet with all those new extraction techniques i'm getting a bit lost and might be biased. What i mean was that if you beat the plant you get the dry sift, and if you beat the dry sift, you crush the trichs making it bland and soft.
If the extraction is good, you can easily do that with your fingers. If there's a lot of lesser quality overshaken veg material, place it in the bag and beat the shit out of it for it also will break the fewer trichs. The results are very low grade, though
I went through this box, but the mesh was letting too much veg through, still a good smoke. Old photos, though, but i was trying to recreate the old Rif "get whatever's at hand" style

[gaiusmarius]

Afghan Hooka session

check it out lol, got to love it.

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[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by kaochiu

I definitely like dry sift over any other, and tried the Rif hashes in Amsterdam. Comparing to the ones offered in the farms prolly was the same, only a bit dryer because of the trip.
Yet with all those new extraction techniques i'm getting a bit lost and might be biased. What i mean was that if you beat the plant you get the dry sift, and if you beat the dry sift, you crush the trichs making it bland and soft.
If the extraction is good, you can easily do that with your fingers. If there's a lot of lesser quality overshaken veg material, place it in the bag and beat the shit out of it for it also will break the fewer trichs. The results are very low grade, though
I went through this box, but the mesh was letting too much veg through, still a good smoke. Old photos, though, but i was trying to recreate the old Rif "get whatever's at hand" style
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Yea, those Super stickies i was talking about were Rif Man's. From the original De Dampkring and Tweede Kamer. Cheaper one was 8,50 euros/g and the wax paper-sticky was 14 or 15 euros/g.


Both were made with more traditional hash plants, not western hybrids. Was told the wax paper one was made with Afghan genetics and the cheaper one i think might have had skunky Paki in it, but i didn't ask when i bought it.
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Grow some CBD-rich variety and add some of that in your dry sift, you won't be sorry. CBD is the biggest difference with traditional hash vs western indoor hash.

[Avinash.miles]

its pretty interesting to hear about this change happening in the fields, not only what they are growing but how it's being grown
it seems the overall response is good? the hash from new method farms is superior ?

[GoatCheese]

Originally Posted by Avinash.miles

its pretty interesting to hear about this change happening in the fields, not only what they are growing but how it's being grown
it seems the overall response is good? the hash from new method farms is superior ?

According to Nevil, the superior quality actually comes from the plants that grow in arid enviroment ..poor yield but top quality.

[Dog Star]

A poor rain and not frequent watering made plants stronger for sure,

in Biodynamics they water plant only on repoting as they say that in that way
you give a chance for plant that she fights for her water spreading roots
much deeper and in this way you get "athlete",a fighter that thrives even
when hard drought kicks..

[ChaosCatalunya]

Yes, like you and kaochiu say, it is suspiciously soft, for how strong it is, and does not burn right, too oily.... is what everybody is saying. I spoke to a guy yesterday who goes over and makes it every year, his own is clean btw, but not the cheapest at 6. He and one other person I know who were there said they thought it was palm oil they were cutting it with, one said it was 10%.

But, not all gets messed with, it is lots of small farms, not large well organised businesses, so a lot of variation and every year, feedback from the market, which is increasingly run by Moroccans in Spain.

The best stuff I have seen was unreal, dry sift made in a freezer truck, this is the way forward folks. E60/g in a regular club, amazing price, quality. I have a short vid I will try to post soon. You would laugh if anybody tried to get a flame near it.

Originally Posted by GoatCheese

Yea, those oil-hash types have been sold in Amsterdam for few years now. Some are more sticky than others. I have sampled few different kind, the stickiest was more or less the same as yours and came in a wax paper. Very annoying to make joints with this stuff!!



The oiliness didn't make it any more potent than the pressed pollen hash of the same price range. = The hash makers can turn their bad hash into oil and then sell it for better price mixed in with good grade pollen. They win, not the customer.
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Some "beaten" hash is actually quite good quality. The Caramello types go for 12 euros/g in Adam.
I sampled some of this kind called Super Tbisla from De Dampkring. Id guess it has some % of Paki genetics in it, it was not pure Moroccan. Earthy, more potent and stonier than Morocs.

[Elmer Bud]

G `day GC

Morocco folks might not have great educations .
But they are far from stupid . When they saw the ice o lator hash selling for 30 + euros when their dry sift was selling for 6-8 Euro a gram .

These days there are entire valleys running fem seeds from Spain . Drying indoors and making bubble hash . About the same amount of labour and tripple the returns .

Next thing will be the moaning about the disappearing trad sifted hash ...

Thanks for sharin

EB .

[ChaosCatalunya]

Originally Posted by Avinash.miles

its pretty interesting to hear about this change happening in the fields, not only what they are growing but how it's being grown
it seems the overall response is good? the hash from new method farms is superior ?

I think so, but I don't know much about the whole market, the supply is certainly changing and getting "better".. But they had to, indoor bud has taken so much of the market percentage in Europe, many countries got rubbish 250g soap/poo bar for years and now love the weed. I was one sufferee... Many kids going back to Morocco with tales of the branded hybrids and a lot of visitors renting fields has clearly had an effect on a large part (maybe 50% this year one visitor told me) of the land. As far as I know, that is only going to increase.