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New Passports issued contain Information Chips
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.... story...and I have to wonder if these chips will do more than just hold information... uhmmm, like track people?... gotta' wonder....
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They have em in the U.K,they are using them too!
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There's several issues with them from what I've read, and they've been in 'the works' for some time now.
My family acquired all 5 of our renewals this last Winter, specifically to avoid this issue. They're behind schedule, too, btw, as are most government programs; initiallly they were supposed to have up to 50% of new passports RFID-ready as of this Spring (06), but you can see -that- didn't happen. I was reading a techie article on them last year, and there were several concerns, ranging from the low-frequency transmitter issue that you've alluded to (tracking), to how much data might be contained in them (bank acct or credit info, for example) to identity theft, and that they can potentially be read from a range of up to 60 ft. The third issue means that someone with a hand-held, modified, scanner, and a palm-pilot 'married' to it, can potentially sit in a busy airport, train station, etc, and have such things out of view, say behind a book or newspaper, and be scanning the data in the chip. If you've been into many modern airports lately (as your travel thread indicates that you have), then you know that in many airports, the separation between a secure area and a public area can be as little as a plexiglass (or glass) wall. A barrier that could feasibly be 'scanned' through. Electronic Frontier Foundation (if I recall correctly) had included an article quite some time back, written by a techie who had devised a method of using a modified cell phone signal to disable these kinds of chips. You might search their site for tips on this issue. That's what I've read thus far on this stuff. And remember all of those folks who said that banking on-line was safe and secure too. How many folks have been compromised now via electronic fraud?? Bunches, if the news is accurate. Regards, moose eater
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The good old days of security chips.
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This is horse shit. They are going to have all our info on that chip. You can beat your ass about that. Glad, I'm getting out while i can. Won't be long before everyone here in the Good old USA will be low-jacked. They are all ready doing it to some kids. They are saying for medical reocords and the ability to find a child if missing. I say BULLSHIT. They won't to know where everyone is and what they are doing. This in my opion is very bad news. There's nothing wrong with the old paper passpost. Thanks for the info.
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The RFID Hacking Underground They can steal your smartcard, lift your passport, jack your car, even clone the chip in your arm. And you won't feel a thing. 5 tales from the RFID-hacking underground. https://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.05/rfid.html
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04 August 2006
New hi-tech RFID passports hacked and cloned A number of countries around the world are introducing technology-enhanced passports designed to prevent or greatly inhibit forgery and counterfeiting. One of the key components is the Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) memory chip. Residence visas and national identity cards are also beginning to include the chips. The reason is that the chips are supposed to be nearly impossible to forge or tamper with. They are intended to store coded data, including biometric data such as fingerprints, face and iris scans, as well as all other necessary details to prove who the holder of the document is. This week a German computer security consultant has demonstrated how to "clone," or duplicate, a specific RFID chip. Lukas Grunwald, a security consultant with DN-Systems in Germany and an RFID expert, says the data in the chips is easy to copy, and he demonstrated the technique at the Black Hat Security Conference in Las Vegas on 03 August. The hack was tested on a new European Union German passport, but the method would work on any country's "e-passport," since all of them will be adhering to the same ICAO standard. He obtained an RFID reader by ordering it from the maker - Walluf, Germany-based ACG Identification Technologies - but also explained that someone could easily make their own for about $200 just by adding an antenna to a standard RFID reader. A program that border patrol stations use to read the passports (Golden Reader Tool, made by secunet Security Networks) and, within four seconds, the data from the passport chip was displayed in the Golden Reader template. He then prepared a sample blank passport page embedded with an RFID tag by placing it on the reader. The reader can also act as a writer, and the information is transferred in the ICAO layout. The basic structure of the chip now matches that of an official passport. Finally, Grunwald used a program that he and a partner designed two years ago to program the new chip with the copied information. The result was a blank document that looks, to electronic passport readers, like the original passport. "The whole passport design is totally brain damaged," Grunwald says. "From my point of view all of these RFID passports are a huge waste of money. They're not increasing security at all." "Of course if you can read the data, you can clone the data and put it in a new tag." This is an embarrassing development for quite a number of governments who have collectively invested billions of euros over the past several years to develop and implement several different schemes. Worse, the hack has become news just as several nations have begun issuing the new "ePassports" (another common designation) and are generally beginning to roll them out during the next several years. Even more billions are already committed, not only to the production of these passports and identity documents, but also to the entire infrastructure needed to support the effort. Tens of thousands of man-hours and dozens of lucrative contracts have been and are being committed to huge databases, and the security checkpoints at embarkation and debarkation areas for many countries. It turns out that while many governments have discussed encrypting the data on these RFID chips, very little effort has yet gone into implementing the encryption. The reason is simple: it will add immense complexity and expense to the entire concept. Now it seems that there will be little choice. "Either this guy is incredible, or this technology is unbelievably stupid," says Gus Hosein, a visiting fellow in information systems at the London School of Economics and Political Science. Grunwald says it took him only two weeks to figure out how to clone the passport chip. Most of that time he spent reading the standards for e-passports that are posted on several websites around the Internet. The International Civil Aviation Organization, a United Nations body that developed the standard, is only one of them. Frank Moss, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for passport services at the U.S. State Department, says that designers of the e-passport have long known that the chips can be cloned, but that other security safeguards in the passport design still prevent someone from using a forged or modified passport. While the U.S. does not intend at this time to allow automated reading of passports, other countries are considering taking human inspectors out of the loop. Australia, for one example, has talked about using automated passport inspection for selected groups of travelers. The reason this is important is that the RFID readers currently read only one chip at a time. It is possible for a person to have a cloned chip placed on top of the actual RFID chip in their document. The reader would read the 'top' or closest chip. However, the data read electronically would not match the printed data on the documents. So long as a human observer is examining the document, such a simple technique would fail. In addition to the possibility of counterfeiting, Grunwald notes that the ability to tamper with e-passports at all opens up the possibility that data written to RFID tags could be used in other ways. Crashing an unprepared inspection system, or even introducing malicious code into the screening computers, is possible, maybe even probable. This could work if the computer system performing the reading has some form of software vulnerability. https://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_...ogy_cloned.htm
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I have one of those.
The day I got it I hit it with a hammer. I travelled on it and had no problems. |
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Did anyone attempt to read your passport's data with a scanner after you'd hit it with the hammer? If so, were they able to read anything on the scanner?
Do you think that as more countries are equipped with scanners that when they encounter a passport that isn't functioning properly, they'll flag that person? Lastly, how -big- a hammer?? ;^>) moose eater |
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Just a normal sized hammer. About a foot long maybe a bit more. Not a sledge hammer. My pasport has a funny dent in the centre page where the chip is stored.
I left Australia (where passpot is issued) no probs, went to Sri Lanka where i am sure they don't have readers and then to Hong Kong which is a pretty tech place and then Home. I have no idea about flagging and that but I have major problems with people trtying to keep tabs on others. My girlfriends passport which is Brittish Hong Kong and is not chipped however always causes problems on return into Australia. We need to go to the airport hours in advance and they always need to ring someone in the department of immigration to check that she and the passport is legal. 3 times bar leaving HK we have been the last to board a flight we always get whisked there on a little veichle of sorts. |
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